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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Starfield

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:29 PM

I know the are all "official," but which series, Generation 2, Classics, or Regeneration One is the continuation of the G1 comics?

Regeneration One is staking a claim by having the issues numbered in sequence, starting with #80.5 and going to #100.

Generation 2 deliberately sets itself apart. It is a different franchise. It deliberately sets a new style and tone. Criminy, the first issue boldly declares "this is not your father's Autobot" on the cover, so I think it is undermines its own claim to be the definitive continuation. On the other hand, it is in indirect continuity through G.I. Joe. Or at least the Joe issues starring Transformers are.

I don't know enough about Classics fiction to comment.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:40 PM

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:45 PM

I am going to say Recordicons.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

The Big Looker books, obviously.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:52 PM

Eugenesis.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

Generation 2. I don't see how this is even a question.

It had Geoff Senior working on it.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:46 PM

Note to self: Get Geoff Senior to draw Recordicons.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

G2 is the actual Marvel continuation of G1. Therefore that's what I vote for.

Edited by Draven, 09 February 2012 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

G2

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"Classicsverse".


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[And "G2" is therefore your answer, for the same reason Draven gave. RG1 only gets *any* sort of a look in because the same guys are working on it - but since Furman also wrote G2, even that's not any sort of trump card. The Clubverse pretending Marvel UK doesn't exist, OTOH, is a COUNTER-trump card.]

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:55 AM

I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.

If this topic were made after Regeneration One #100 has been released, we'll probably see a change in opinion.

To me, "definitive" doesn't mean 'first' but 'best'. Even though G2 came first, I doubt it will be able hold up against Regeneration One in quality.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:14 AM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 9 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.

If this topic were made after Regeneration One #100 has been released, we'll probably see a change in opinion.

To me, "definitive" doesn't mean 'first' but 'best'. Even though G2 came first, I doubt it will be able hold up against Regeneration One in quality.

Time will tell on this, of course, but this is largely my opinion, as well. I can't vote for Regeneration One yet, as I don't know if it will be any good (I have high hopes, of course). Classics was an enjoyable romp, but frankly there just isn't that much there for me to support it. (6 pages every two months just isn't very much, sorry) That pretty much leaves G2.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:28 AM

That Japanese comic thing they hired the Americans to do.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:02 AM

Beast Wars.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:17 AM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 10 2012, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.


Perhaps it would be different if RG1 wasn't going to stupidly ignore the last twelve issues of the Marvel canon for no real reason.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 10 2012, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 10 2012, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.


Perhaps it would be different if RG1 wasn't going to stupidly ignore the last twelve issues of the Marvel canon for no real reason.


Yes, I was wanting Regeneration One to take place after G2 #12, between G1 #80 and G2 #1 or during G2 (same way the U.K. comics happened during the U.S. comics).

But I kept being told that G2 was bad, that nobody should care about it and that Regeneration One would be limited if it incorporated G2 because of all the pointless deaths.

All things I disagreed with. G2 is part of the Marvel continuity too and Furman could still write a good story while acknowledging G2. But it became an alternate timeline from the end of #80. Classicsverse already ignored G2. If the hype for Regeneration One is real and Furman can pull off the stories he has been talking about and hinting at, its going to be great.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:40 AM

I'll vote after the end of Regeneration One. icon-op.gif

Edited by D.M, 10 February 2012 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

The Rebirth.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 10 2012, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 10 2012, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.


Perhaps it would be different if RG1 wasn't going to stupidly ignore the last twelve issues of the Marvel canon for no real reason.
But there ARE reasons. You may disagree with them, but the widespread destruction on Earth, the loss of several characters, and the whole now-acknowleged existence of the Cybertronian Empire are all game-changers that Simon Furman thought it best to turn back the clock on.

They're pretty significant reasons, you're desire to include them in the new story notwithstanding.

#20 Chris McFeely

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:39 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Feb 10 2012, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 10 2012, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 10 2012, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm surprised people are now favoring G2 over Regeneration One after all the effort to get Regeneration One made.


Perhaps it would be different if RG1 wasn't going to stupidly ignore the last twelve issues of the Marvel canon for no real reason.
But there ARE reasons. You may disagree with them, but the widespread destruction on Earth, the loss of several characters, and the whole now-acknowleged existence of the Cybertronian Empire are all game-changers that Simon Furman thought it best to turn back the clock on.

They're pretty significant reasons, you're desire to include them in the new story notwithstanding.


Well gee, maybe he could have tried to TELL a story with a significantly changed game by USING those new elements, instead of wiping them out! I mean, are you seriously telling me that the idea of the Autobots and Decepticons at peace, working with humanity to rebuild, with the thread of a... third faction... hanging over their heads...

...jive. I'm describing Energon, aren't I? Withdrawn.

Edited by Chris McFeely, 10 February 2012 - 11:42 AM.




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