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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Galenraff

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:30 AM

There's been a thread in General (as well as some threads on other sites) about a potential credit card security problem that may have arisen from TCC's online transactions:
http://www.allspark....showtopic=84493

The Club released a statement in an email and over their social networks (though I can't seem to find a direct link):
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We posted statements through various Social networks but I wanted to make sure, due to all the comments, that a statement was posted here as well...

Just to let everyone know, we upgraded our online security systems as we understand that credit card theft is a growing problem in the U.S. Online security is a serious business and Fun Publications takes it seriously. We have implemented an ongoing review process of these security systems so that as internet thieves become more sophisticated, so will our defense systems. If you have any concerns, please let us know. When you order from anyone on any kind of device, make sure that https starts the url. This means it is under a secure socket layer and is encrypted during transmission. Additionally all information in our database is encrypted under a 256K algorithm.

We have been following the talk regarding the fraud problems but we haven't confirmed how many, if any, were on our end. This upgrade was a precautionary measure. Fraud can come from many sources and it is difficult to determine with 100% certainty what happened in those cases. We are dedicated to solving any problems and will do whatever is necessary to make shopping with the Club a secure experience.

If you have any concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us 1-800-772-6673

We wanted to make sure people here were aware that there MAY be an issue with credit cards used at the Club's online store or for Botcon registration, and that it would be a good idea to keep an eye on your credit card statements for suspicious activity. If you find some, and you've bought anything from the Club in the past year or so, please report the issue to the Club to help them figure out if it's related to their services. They won't be able to help anyone if people don't report the issues to them directly.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

who let Sony run the club?

... why does it seem like technology is making this harder?
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

I should mention the theft that happened in the first week of January. I ordered G2 Ramjet and a club membership last year. Come new years, someone tried using my credit card in Madrid.

My wife and I had no idea where it could have been from. We use the card, but internet-wise most payments were through paypal or with a few trusted companies like BBTS and Robot Kingdom.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

Anyone think there is a risk if the last/only time I shopped with the club was pre-Botcon 2010?
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

And like TFSource, they didn't bother to email me about this. So, like TFSource, these creeps can go to hell.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:18 PM

They sent an email to club members about this too, I recall getting it.

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I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 9 2012, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They sent an email to club members about this too, I recall getting it.

Eh? When? I hope I didn't just delete it. I should note that I'm no longer a member, so I'm not getting new communications.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE(Solarstorm @ Feb 9 2012, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should mention the theft that happened in the first week of January. I ordered G2 Ramjet and a club membership last year. Come new years, someone tried using my credit card in Madrid.

My wife and I had no idea where it could have been from. We use the card, but internet-wise most payments were through paypal or with a few trusted companies like BBTS and Robot Kingdom.

You should still contact the Club to let them know about it so they can look into it. (Sorry, I can't recall if you said in the other thread whether you had or not.)

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 9 2012, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone think there is a risk if the last/only time I shopped with the club was pre-Botcon 2010?

If you've not had any suspicious activity on your credit card statements, probably not? If it was that long ago, your credit card company is probably going to give you a new card soon anyway (if they haven't already). They're only good for a couple of years.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 9 2012, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They sent an email to club members about this too, I recall getting it.


I know I didn't get one.

Anyway my card is ok so far, gonna hafta check it every day now though. icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 9 2012, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They sent an email to club members about this too, I recall getting it.

I do not, and I've been a member the whole time this has been unfolding. Still got it somewhere? Can you copy/paste to this thread?

Fortunately, the card I used for BotCon/member reg last year expired and has been replaced with a new date/security code, so I think I dodged the bullet.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:53 PM

I got the email. I'm pretty sure the text was the same as the statement from Pete that I pasted into the first post above.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:10 PM

I saw it on their FB page but never received the e-mail either.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:13 PM

I got the email too and it was the same as the Facebook post. I deleted it right afterwards though, sorry.
 
 
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

I know Jeremy got hit with an attempted iPhone purchase in some Asian country.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE(Solarstorm @ Feb 9 2012, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should mention the theft that happened in the first week of January. I ordered G2 Ramjet and a club membership last year. Come new years, someone tried using my credit card in Madrid.
That's exactly where and when my card, which I have used with the club, was compromised. A charge from EL CORTE INGLES MADRID ES posted to my account 03 January 2012.

(Got a replacement, but I think I need to go have a talk with my bank, now, too...)


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 9 2012, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They sent an email to club members about this too, I recall getting it.


I have not recieved such an e-mail, either.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Feb 9 2012, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know Jeremy got hit with an attempted iPhone purchase in some Asian country.

I bet it was a knockoff, there fore we should move this to bottalk.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:14 PM

No email here either. And no sings of fraud on any of my cards.

Still, kinda makes me wish I could renew my membership via check.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:19 PM

Can we go back to faxing them?

Otherwise, yeah. Renewing isn't worth dealing with any of this.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 07:11 PM

TFCC now has a post on their front page and a link to a pdf regarding this incident.



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