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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

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@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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Differences between United Windcharger, Warpath, & Thunderwing


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:38 AM

Look for galleries to come sometimes Sunday, but I got mine in today (as well as Megatron, and Rodimus a couple days ago).

I figured I'd go over the differences in these figures as some are hard to tell and may not be picked up in photos.

Windcharger
Windcharger obviously has the painted Autobot symbol versus the rub symbol on the RtS version. The light gray plastic on RtS Windcharger is significantly darker on the United version. It's a warm medium-light gray. The darker gray is also a bit darker on the United one. Also quite noticeable is the red plastic, while pretty much the same color as the RtS, while the RtS one had a swirl plastic the United one has a sparkle fleck plastic. It's quite nice looking. The gray paint on the United one is a bit darker too to go along with the darker gray plastics.

Warpath
Generations Warpath's brown/red is changed to a brick red almost identical to the original toy's red. The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure. The Z0W-333 and K4-90W are not present on the United one, it also has a silver outline Autobot symbol (with no color in it) instead of a black Autobot symbol. A nice surprise, unlike the Generations figure, is that United Warpath's head is actually cast in the same red as the rest of his body and not gray plastic painted over - not sure if TakaraTomy changed the molding for this to be possible or Hasbro just molded it in gray for some strange reason (it's akin to the whole Jazz with the painted forearms thing). Also Warpath's shoulder emplacements are still gray and not red like in some pictures.

Thunderwing
Thunderwing has more differences than I was expecting. The obvious changes are the arms are now a dark gray instead of green, the thighs and side waist panels are black instead of green, the purple is now a very light purple (lilac), and the clear orange is now a clear cherry color (different than Sky Shadow's clear red). The Decepticon symbols on are lighter on the United figure and the blue a bit darker. The lime green paint and grayish green paint is now a high gloss forest green (quite striking). The main white/light gray color of Generations Thunderwing is more of an off-white - definitely lighter than the Generations figure, less of a very light tan and more of an off-white. Despite the white color being lighter and the purple being lighter, the figure seems a lot darker than the Generations figure due to almost all the other colors getting darker. He looks very nice and overs a bit more color diversity to the other version.

As for the other figures (Wipeout, Rodimus, and Megatron) they are all very striking in their own rights. Megatron in particular really stands out, and thankfully his mouth looks quite definied with the light purple paint. I went over Rodimus in the other thread, Wipeout on the other hand uses the same light gray as United Windcharger and swaps the sparkle red for black and the dark gray for blue (plus different paint colors).

While I thought this was a weak wave overall (mainly due to the lack of changes that appeared in the figures) each figure ended up being nicer than I had expected due to the changes. I'm happy to add them to my collection.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:46 AM

One other thing, United Thunderwing's shoulder cannon/spike things are way more rubber than the Generations one or the Sky Shadow's. I imagine we'll be seeing someting similar on BotCon Metalhawk. Though you'd think a change like this wouldn't happen at TakaraTomy's level, I'm don't know if it was something that ever showed up on Sky Shadow's. But this isn't the first time a seemingly safety change showed up on a TakaraTomy figure rather than on a Hasbro one.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:47 AM

Yeah we all know the drill, all Takara Tomy versions are bling bling beauties, aren't they? icon-waspy.gif

I hope Hasbro releases this G2 Megs soon so I don't have to pay the import markup to have him lead my Classics G2 squad. And hopefully this Windcharger mold gets released as Decepticharge with better distribution.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Feb 5 2012, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah we all know the drill, all Takara Tomy versions are bling bling beauties, aren't they? icon-waspy.gif


As far as I understand, these ones aren't blinged out like the previous United releases. Maybe a tad more paint apps than standard, but that's about it. Just straight-up deco changes.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for the rundown Randy. Still wish they had done more with Windcharger and Wipe Out, but at least the tiny tweaks were to the positive.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure.


On mine, the silver plastic, gunmetal plastic and gunmetal paint on the hands are identical between the two versions. Are you sure it's not the contrast with the lighter red tricking your eye?

His left foot also doesn't lock into place nearly as well/easily as the Generations one's, but that may be an issue with the pin placement rather than the tooling or plastic.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look for galleries to come sometimes Sunday, but I got mine in today (as well as Megatron, and Rodimus a couple days ago).

I figured I'd go over the differences in these figures as some are hard to tell and may not be picked up in photos.

Windcharger
Windcharger obviously has the painted Autobot symbol versus the rub symbol on the RtS version. The light gray plastic on RtS Windcharger is significantly darker on the United version. It's a warm medium-light gray. The darker gray is also a bit darker on the United one. Also quite noticeable is the red plastic, while pretty much the same color as the RtS, while the RtS one had a swirl plastic the United one has a sparkle fleck plastic. It's quite nice looking. The gray paint on the United one is a bit darker too to go along with the darker gray plastics.


Um.

Mine are absolutely identical, minus the rub sign.

No plastic color differences whatsoever.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

I'm kind of glad Takara went plain jane on these so I don't feel compelled to get the significantly more expensive Japanese versions.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Feb 5 2012, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Hasbro releases this G2 Megs soon so I don't have to pay the import markup to have him lead my Classics G2 squad. And hopefully this Windcharger mold gets released as Decepticharge with better distribution.

That's not going to happen. Well the G2 Megs thing, and since Scouts don't exist any more I wouldn't count on a Decepticharge.

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 5 2012, 04:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the rundown Randy. Still wish they had done more with Windcharger and Wipe Out, but at least the tiny tweaks were to the positive.

Yeah I was happy to see they were differences.

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QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure.


On mine, the silver plastic, gunmetal plastic and gunmetal paint on the hands are identical between the two versions. Are you sure it's not the contrast with the lighter red tricking your eye?

His left foot also doesn't lock into place nearly as well/easily as the Generations one's, but that may be an issue with the pin placement rather than the tooling or plastic.

The gun metal plastic looks the same but the gray/silver plastic appears a tint darker, but it may be the surrounding colors playing tricks on my eyes or just normal batch variation changes. I'm figuring the hands may look like that due to the underlying color underneath (I took the appearance of the silver looking different, which I didn't mention, owing to that).

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:20 PM

Re: Your ridiculous Windcharger claims

I demand satisfaction!

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:12 PM

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Re: Your ridiculous Windcharger claims

I demand satisfaction!

Hmm? I see you have the United one based on the Wiki page, I take it you have the RtS one too? Take a close look at them. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:19 PM

I did. I've been taking a close look at them since Friday. When I am not typing this, I have one of them in each hand.

They are perfectly identical.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:59 PM

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 5 2012, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did. I've been taking a close look at them since Friday. When I am not typing this, I have one of them in each hand.

They are perfectly identical.

The two different shades of light gray.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:23 PM

The two reds, one with sparkles (United on the right) one without (RtS on the left). The color red is identical, it's the flecks that are not.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:27 PM

You can see the painted gray is different in this picture, as well as the darker gray a hair darker on the United one (the paint was obvious in the Alfes' Blog images too).
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:16 PM

And that's what you mean by "the gray on the United version is significantly darker"?

The differences are negligible, to the point where it's impossible to say if the slight blueisher tint in one photograph is due to the camera's attitude at that hour of the day or we're just looking at something well within the margin of batch variation.

If by some miracle of something you're actually right, I wonder which guy at Tomy was sitting down and wondering how much time he could waste by imperceptibly changing the color breakdowns .0001% bluer.

Edited by Code of Walky, 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 5 2012, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that's what you mean by "the gray on the United version is significantly darker"?

It was late. icon-fire.gif I will also concede that the dark gray plastic is the same, but the red and the light gray (and the gray paint) are not. icon-hotrod.gif

Here are a couple more pics. icon-ironhide.gif
DSC00386.JPG DSC00388.JPG
United is on the right in both pictures.

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Edited by Powered Convoy, 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:23 PM

Randy, you have like, super-vision, or something.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Feb 5 2012, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Randy, you have like, super-vision, or something.

I guess, some things stand out to be obvious to me, other times the surrounding colors will play tricks on me.

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