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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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#1 wonko the sane?

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:59 AM

Apparently, some were offended enough by derpy's portrayal in episode 14 that they felt the need to make a petition. Apparently, there is enough in the fandom who feel those are being ridiculous and started a counter petition to keep derpy as she was animated.

Now, you can find both easily enough, but I'm for not changing things by committee and found absolutely nothing wrong with derpy. So, if you if the same, please sign:

This online petition to keep derpy the same.

For validity, I should probably post a link to the other one, but I know most here enjoyed those first destructive steps she took from background character to tier two character.

Edited by wonko the sane?, 05 February 2012 - 08:42 AM.


#2 LoomX

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:42 AM

I think this is the third petition I've signed to keep Derpy's name, unless I've signed the same one more than once...

I don't think Hasbro or anyone should go back and change the episode to remove/rename Derpy. Doing so is just going to annoy more people, the ones who thought the little shoutout was awesome (like me) who I'm sure far outnumber those who were offended.

However, I do think that in hindsight they should have kept her nameless so as to avoid all this drama. That way there would be no cause for anyone to be offended by her name, no problems with copyright (if there are any) and those who want her to be called Derpy/Ditzy could still do so since the show isn't saying otherwise.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

I got no problem at all with them naming her. Everyone needs a name, and the sentence just feels weird without it. It's insulting to avoid using a persons name in context.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:23 AM

Oh don't get me wrong I've got no problem with them naming her either. But if Derpy's name wasn't mentioned in the episode to begin with then no one would miss it if it wasn't there since it never was there to begin with. If that makes sense?

I'm not quite sure what I'm getting at myself. I seem to be arguing against something when I'm actually all for it. Long live Derpy!

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(LoomX @ Feb 4 2012, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh don't get me wrong I've got no problem with them naming her either. But if Derpy's name wasn't mentioned in the episode to begin with then no one would miss it if it wasn't there since it never was there to begin with. If that makes sense?

I'm not quite sure what I'm getting at myself. I seem to be arguing against something when I'm actually all for it. Long live Derpy!


Yes, but changing it once it is there would be stating that they felt there was something explicitly wrong/offensive with using Derpy, which obviously isn't the case.

I've signed the petition anyway. I don't have a whole lot of faith in internet petitions, but this whole thing has annoyed me somewhat.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

Before i sign, I'd like to know:

If she stays Derpy, would she have a last name? Or is she single named like Rarity, Trixie, Zecora and Madonna?

Would changing her name to Ditzy Doo increase her chances of having an official toy made for her? I'd go with whichever would give her official merchandise.

Like is this the case of 2002 He-Man Fisto's toy being named Battle Fist or Rattlor being named the General but they were called by their proper names in the show? She can be Derpy on the show but the toy would be Ditzy Doo?


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:59 AM

Given the furor behind it, mostly in favour of it since it seems the nay sayers are few in volume, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a toy of her anyway. Go where the market demands after all.

But really, does she need a last name? Or a toy? Hell, up until S2E14 we were happy having her in the background and just pointing her out.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:55 AM

Signed, the whole "controversy" about Derpys name is inane.
She is fine as she is, if anything, they should canonice more of the fanon about her (especially her fanon daughter).

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE(J4n1 @ Feb 4 2012, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Signed, the whole "controversy" about Derpys name is inane.
She is fine as she is, if anything, they should canonice more of the fanon about her (especially her fanon daughter).

I couldn't agree more, J4n1.

Heck, if you guys want to rally around something...

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:33 PM

Wonko, You should change the title, or subtitle to have the SaveDerpy tag.

Also letters (professional adult letters) can be sent: http://www.hasbro.co...rvice/contacts/

It's worth mentioning how true the controversy is is questionable..lots of mixed messages on the whole thing...see EQ or knowyourmeme (Save Derpy) for details.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

BRING BACK STAR TREK TOS... oh wait we aren't doing that..

silly is silly and even I can't be that silly.

they named her, its done. The only way to change it now would be if we found out That's just what Rainbow Dash calls her... I'd be fore that option if it lead to an episode explaining it. But otherwise leave it alone... because it isn't a big deal.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

That picture is awesome. icon-hotrod.gif

Can I sign a petition against people starting petitions, btw? icon-fire.gif I mean, seriously, all this ruckus over a character who had like, 3 lines. Yet apparently no-one thought Gargoyles was a satanist show and a thing of the devil because the characters looked like, well let's admit it, demons. And that was the NINETIES!

People take offense too easily these days. I mean, I am totally not offended by John Cleese honestly believing "Yandelawasa grvedlny stravenka" being some very offensive hungarian swear-word. (In truth, it doesn't mean a thing in my language...) icon-fire.gif
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 4 2012, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet apparently no-one thought Gargoyles was a satanist show and a thing of the devil because the characters looked like, well let's admit it, demons.

I'm pretty sure someone did.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Feb 4 2012, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 4 2012, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet apparently no-one thought Gargoyles was a satanist show and a thing of the devil because the characters looked like, well let's admit it, demons.

I'm pretty sure someone did.

My mom, for one.
But then, she thought the same of Yu-gi-oh.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:24 PM

People must have; but back then, there were a lot less of those type that were able to figure out how to use the Internet.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Feb 4 2012, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would changing her name to Ditzy Doo increase her chances of having an official toy made for her? I'd go with whichever would give her official merchandise.

I agree with this statement. Both names have always seemed fine to me. On one hand, having a pony officially named after what fans decided to call her is awesome; on the other hand, of all the non-fan names background ponies have gotten, "Ditzy-Doo" is probably the least stupid, probably because it was created by a writer, not some monkey-suited toy executive. And either way, being able to one day go into a store, plunk down ten bucks, and walk out with our very own little plastic [insert name here] would probably be even better.

But most likely if Hasbro's decision can be swayed in any way, it will probably be by whoever shouts the loudest.
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#18 wonko the sane?

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:44 AM

As divisive as it would be... let's see if we can't make the non-haters shout louder for once.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

Strange. When I first looked at that petition a few days ago, the original amount of sigs needed was 15,000. I looked at again a couple days later and it went up to 25,000 sigs required. I just looked at it again and the required number is now 35,000. Looks like the number needed keeps getting jacked up another 10,000 every time the sigs get near to meeting the requirement. WTH! Do petitions normally do that?

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

I will not sign this petition, because it is meaningless. That's okay though, since the original petition is equally meaningless. Nothing will come of any of this idiocy.



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