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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 Guest_mignash_*

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:10 PM

Okay, being the type that jumps the gun, I figured I'd ask. We are getting an awesome looing FoC Bruticus, if Hasbro makes a SECOND combiner in this style (all Deluxes), what should the next one be?

I'm limiting the responses to G1 US released combiners, since that seems to be what WFC/FoC seems to be based on (not likely they will make Landcross or Rail Racer or whatever).

Edited by mignash, 03 February 2012 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:15 PM

Movie Devastator.

But since he's not an option, Abominus. I love me some robomonsters.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:18 PM

Im guessing since we already seen Silverbolt and Air Raid in the first game, Im leaning towards Superion if Bruticus sells well. Even out the odds for more Autobot combiners.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:19 PM

Uniform color schemes and all being the same theme of vehicle (especially both together) probably wouldn't happen. Which would cross several well known and popular teams off the list.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:20 PM

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:28 PM

Is Defensor vs Bruticus the classic rivalry? I think it is along with Menasor VS Superion and Omega vs Devastoator.

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This seems a bit premature.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

Defensor. I have a nice classics Bruticus and this one might make the second. I have a fairly nice classics Superion and a very nice classics Devastator (and I'll probably get another of those). It is definitely Defensor's turn.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

I doubt there will be one.

That said I'd love it if there were. My order goes:

1) Aerialbots - Always my favorite as a kid from the first appearence in the toon and the first time I saw the toys. I love little jet toys that you can take with you and fly everywhere. Sky Dive is one of my favorite characters and designs. Silverbolt and Slingshot are memorable and important G1 characters. This would be my dream so it's what I voted. Problem is I'd REALLY prefer them in their Earth forms. The G1 Aerialbot robot design is just a classic to me in the same way the Seeker or Prowl body is. I want it as spot on to the old model sheets as possible. So yeah, maybe in a future sequel set on Earth?

2) Terrorcons - These little Monsters just have some great, quirky, anime looking designs and colors. Abominous too. They really appeal to my sense of aesthetics.

3) Technobots - My second favorite team behind the Aerialbots all together. Just really liked them as a kid. And anything that gets me a new Lightspeed (I like him, sue me) is awesome.

4) Predacons - For Predaking, Divebomb, and Razorclaw. All awesome.

5) Protectobots - This is mostly for First Aid, who was the stand out on this team for me. Though I do like Defensor.


I'll be honest the Stunticons and Constructicons are a bit boring to me. Don't know why, I don't hate them but neather team has the nostalgic love in my heart that the above do. Constructicons just feel over done to me. Combaticons do a bit too, but if they're what we're getting it's fine with me just because it's getting someone.


-ZacWilliam, forgot the Seacons. Make them #6. I like Seawing. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Feb 4 2012, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tripredacus


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I know any future FoC combiner is going to be Superion. I don't even need to pretend its not going to be the case

But damn if I wouldn't like a new updated Abominus instead

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 3 2012, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is Defensor vs Bruticus the classic rivalry? I think it is along with Menasor VS Superion and Omega vs Devastoator.


And Computron vs Abominous and possibly Predacons vs Sky Lynx

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

You could get away with 3 molds for Superion with the armbots just having different heads and colors, same with the legs. Problem is releasing 5 jets at once.

Could Aerialbots share designs with Seekers?

Edited by mignash, 03 February 2012 - 09:57 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:55 PM

Defensor makes the most sense. Like Bruticus, his individual bots all have much more varied Alt modes. So it would be easier to justify having all five of them in the deluxe price-point.

I'd personally WANT Menasor. But, since he's mostly cars, I doubt it. Unless of course, he's in the third game. lol

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:57 PM

I voted Defensor, as he really needs some combiner love. It wouldn't happen though, because they only ever make Devastator, Superion & Bruticus, out of the G1 guys.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:00 PM

Where is the option for "Recolor of Bruticus"?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 3 2012, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could get away with 3 molds for Superion with the armbots just having different heads and colors, same with the legs. Problem is releasing 5 jets at once.

Could Aerialbots scare designs with Seekers?


Share with the Seekers?

Not if I have anything to say about it. I want Aerialbots with the classic Nosecone-Tail backpacks and wings on their feet. I know I'm being G1erish about this but I just love that Classic design and want to see it in a new toy form so much.

I will say though, that while I'd love to see them done as Combiners again, Superion is actually the least part of my desire for them. The original was a bit of a gangly, flimsy mess. I would be just as happy with a non-combing Deluxe mold based on the Scramble City design that could get new Heads, Wings and Tails and be released in a number of seperate waves as Air Raid, Sky Dive and Fireflight. Then another mold for the more different Slingshot (or Airrazor or whatever they have to call him).


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:04 PM

Man, Mignash, what's with the G1 Supremacy? Why can't they homage a combiner from a different line?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:05 PM

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

Since FoC is 8 figures and Jazz, Shockwave, and Prime are covered, the combaticons would eat up the other 5 spots if they were counted.

As others have said, with the focus on Grimlock and previous mentions of a figure coming, the combaticons have to count separately. Because of this, they are likely to be released in some kind of multipack.

With 5 spots to go and a box set category that doesn't count - I could imagine another box set or a individual figures covering 5 deluxe Dinobots.

I'm guessing the dinobots wouldn't combine though.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:10 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Feb 3 2012, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, Mignash, what's with the G1 Supremacy? Why can't they homage a combiner from a different line?


Because every not-G1 Combiner was done in G1 and brings along with it that OMG G1 update factor. Seriously. Build King = Devastator, Rail Racer = Raiden (OH YES PLEASE), Magnaboss/Tripredacus = Predaking/Dinoking, Baldigus = umm, yeah. Which would you rather have an update of?



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