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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.

Yeah but what price point would it sell at, considering Deluxes are now in the $12 to $16 range and Voyagers from $20 to $24?

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.


At this point Deluxes almost ARE the Mega Price point. icon-waspy.gif

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:15 PM

That Bruticus looks flimsy.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:23 PM

I want this guy like now

Glad to see the Allspark is full of GEEWONERS icon-fire.gif seeing thim all pop out of the woodwork to gripe about Vortex color sceme makes me proud but I could of used your help last month..
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Vortexes colors never stood out and he is not a color sceme I worry about changeing

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 8 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.

Yeah but what price point would it sell at, considering Deluxes are now in the $12 to $16 range and Voyagers from $20 to $24?

Randy


Oh, how I wish they cost that little. In Europe, double those prices and then you get your average Deluxe/Voyager price. It's no coincidence that Legends and Cyberverse sells out the fastest.

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 8 2012, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want thjs guy like now

Glad to see the Allspark is full of GEEWONERS icon-fire.gif seeing thim all pop out of the woodwork to gripe about Votex color sceme makes me proud but I could of used your help last month..
I joke of course

Vortexes colors never stood out and he is not a color sceme I worry about changeing


I wonder if I will ever be able to grow old and tell to my great-grandchildren "Well, World War IV turned the Earth into a nuclear wasteland and at night mutant zombie vampire cyborgs are out hunting for blood, but at least Tec learned how to spell."

Then I realize, I am already 34. I won't live to see the day.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 8 2012, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vortex makes me think of the Micromaster Helicopter Base.

http://tfwiki.net/wi...kyhopperToy.jpg


Yeah, more red less purple, but the tan is enough to suggest it to my mind.


-ZacWilliam, I'd love it if Takara did them all, especially Vortex, in more G1 colors, BUT the colors here a fine too and won't deter me even slightly from picking up this awesomeness the second it is available.


I will buy them too, apart from lack of blue on Vortex I am fine with the colors - and if that's the production color, I'll just repaint him myself. icon-hotrod.gif

And you are right, he does resemble Skyhopper's copter a bit in shape.

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My one complaint about Blast Off is that he just has way too many tail fins. Counting the ones on his guns, he's got seven. That's insane.



That's the best thing about him!

Seriously, Blast Off is only one of these I really want, and his crazy over abundance of tailfins is pretty much the reason why.


And in-game, his tailfins on his shoulders will be constantly waving. icon-hotrod.gif

At this point I am sure we will get to play as all five Combaticons AND Bruticus in the game, since we haven't heard of many other new Cons save for Shockwave. They nicely fit the WFC categories - 2 fliers, a Soldier, a Leader and a Scout. I wonder what Swindle's speciality would be... selling weapons to the Autobots that explode when they try to shoot him with?

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:01 PM

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Voyagers aren't even possible for Generations' current model, so I'd expect some trade offs.


The venn diagram between people who are saying Voyagers aren't possible for Generations and those who were saying a month ago that combiners weren't possible for Generations looks like a perfect circle.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

Heh

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:21 PM

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The venn diagram between people who are saying Voyagers aren't possible for Generations and those who were saying a month ago that combiners weren't possible for Generations looks like a perfect circle.
A month ago it hadn't really occurred to anyone to have an all-deluxe Combiner.

The line is still all deluxe case assortments, and we've had no evidence to the contrary.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:51 PM

Looking at that shot of Bruticus again, the rather large combiner pegs look sort-of similar to each other - which has me wondering: perhaps FoC Bruticus will be able to Scramble his limb components, much like the G1 and Energon combiners? icon-op.gif

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

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Looking at that shot of Bruticus again, the rather large combiner pegs look sort-of similar to each other - which has me wondering: perhaps FoC Bruticus will be able to Scramble his limb components, much like the G1 and Energon combiners? icon-op.gif


I really, really doubt it. Each limb would have to hide two separate fists somewhere in it. And I see evidence against that, not for it.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:35 PM

So awesome. All of my want, right there.

Plus it's all Cybertron forms, so I don't have to even think about feeling bad about paying all that for the still superbly awesome Fansproject sets. So sweet.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:31 AM

Y'know I was just thinking, it seems the toy is really intended to hold a static pose. Simalir to whatever he has in the concept art there...


And, that got me to thinking. Maybe Bruticus is the Devastator of today. I mean before they just came up with a more standardized way that combiners should combine that allowed poseability and durability as well.


Im kind of thinking, that if we get another combiner after this guy... I wouldn't be surprised if we got slightly smaller deluxes that were designed with more swievels instead. And more ratcheting joints.


I mean, when you think of it. If they were all each as big as classics bumblebee and most of that money was put more into the jointing. It may risk classics Galvatron style problems. But it may also mean nearly basic sized limbs that are a slight bigger. With really good poseability for the combined mode. And really secure jointing...


And, I wonder if this Bruticus is sort of an experiment and if it'll get better from here. Maybe us seeing much better combining deluxes in the future.


I still stand by the idea that Blastoff has a swieval joing right underneath a piece of space on his upper chest. I still think that part can turn and allow the legs to move upwards in a sideways position. Which allows that punch in the gut sort of pose.


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They're beautiful even when mistransformed and mis-merged. Toy Fair will show us Onslaught's proper torso and vehicle modes and then we all just settle in for 5 months of masturwaiting.



I sort of have a problem with this. I think their great figures and I agree that Onslaught must have some mistransformation. But seriously a lot of what we see in the vehicle mode seems to really be. All that you see here.

Yes, im certain that the back part of the armored vehicle is attached wrongly. That theres also a piece there thats supposed to raise up and cover some area. And, Im kind of hoping that he does have some sort of flexibility in how the cannon is perched on the top.


But that said it's very clear they butchered the vehicle mode. And, im not putting it down for that. But, I see a lot of clear, that is the way the toy will really look. Other than maybe one or two small things.


Now with the combined mode. I think what makes it look bad is the thighs seem sort of mistransformed. Or at least it seems like theres a range with how the thighs can be posed. And if you put the parts that seem to be Onslaught's upper thighs more inwards. Towards where Bruticus' underwear/groin is. Then Onslaught's lower legs would look much more proper as Bruticus thighs.


That said I think some of the arm kibble could be hidden on the upper parts of the chest. And the arms both vortex and Blastoff seem to have much more poseable range. But if you look carefully you can sort of figure it out.


The only other thing that would make it look better other than fixing how the thighs are transformed and how the arms are transformed. Is whether you can raise those wheels with the connector joints a bit. So the arms seem propped a bit higher. Instead of hanging so low.

But, mind It's absolutely hard to tell how much you can prop those arm connectors wheels upwards at an angle. It seems like maybe the connector itself has a joint. But maybe im wrong on that.


But some of what is transformed wrong is kind of evident. Push Onslaught's legs back a bit on the upper parts. And they hide behind Bruticus' groin a lot better. And Blastoffs arm definately has some range to alllow it to turn and have the fist point upwards. With an elbow.





Also Brawl's is mistransformed in the leg mode. The turret is upside down. If you notice. The upper part of the turret is really the foot. That piece that they mistakingly transformed into the foot, that looks really ugly. Is not the actually foot. The turret needs to be swivelled into the opposite direction. With the right foot piece aiming down. The part being used for the foot. Is really an piece that folds out to cover the exposure of that purple knee joint.


So in other words Brawl is clearly mistransformed there in foot mode!

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:35 AM

I hope Blast off's in OD green and NOT gold plastic...

even IF they did fix the formular...
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:08 AM

Looks like I might be wrong about Brawl being Mistransformed.


But the leg is odd to me. The turret clearly turns. And that butt piece that covers the knee connector. Looks a lot more like the arts feet than the tab that comes out of the cannon does.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE(LiamA @ Feb 8 2012, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That Bruticus looks flimsy.

He looks like his arms are about to fall off. Vehicle modes are OK, but the robot modes seem similarly flimsy.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:42 PM

As long as it doesn't tip over, this thing is so bought

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

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well, it's still swappable--between a pimpslap hand and a gun.


Which is so obviously BETTER that I really shouldn't have even mentioned it.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:32 PM

*waits patiently for updates and resists arguing about usefulness of combiners in combat*

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