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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#401 Spark

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE(Blot @ Feb 7 2012, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eep. I didn't realize we were STILL doing that "everyone with neon lights on them" thing. The pictures of Brawl and Swindle didn't really show it, but the out of place purple on Onslaught just makes me sad.

It's Allspark Power 2.0!

It's part of the game's visual aesthetic. The Japanese versions will probably go without, though, going by past examples.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:27 PM

Meta...morphin' ...dudicus?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:29 PM

Ah, so they're keeping the weapon combining gimmick of the original.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

Where is that from?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:33 PM

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Ah, so they're keeping the weapon combining gimmick of the original.


The gimmick from Ruination, you mean.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:36 PM

Lord I love the aesthetic of the WfC/FoC guys. Usually the Cybertron versions of characters look really awkward, but they've managed to hit on something that looks very nice.

Man, I am really going to have to sell off some of my current figures if they keep this up...

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:36 PM

Wow, uh, that looks....

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:47 PM

Whew... For a while there I was afraid I was gonna want this.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:48 PM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 7 2012, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meta...morphin' ...dudicus?


I'd guess Swindle and Brawl are TFed right. Onslaught is close with maybe a few little errors, perhaps at the crotch or sides of the chest maybe. And I suspect Blast Off and Vortex are at least partially messed up, or at the very least quite badly posed. Going by the concept art the thruster parts of BO should fold down to the lower arm, or perhaps the lower arm folds up to them looking at it closer.

-ZacWilliam, on the up-side he looks Awesome! I LOVE HIM. Even miss transformed or badly posed he's a wonder that will have a spot of honor among my CHUGUR Cons. Real fists. Yay! icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:15 AM

That doesn't look so hot.
A voyager sized torso would do wonders here.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:23 AM

Vortex and Blast-Off look like they're in the completely wrong colors. icon-depth.gif

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:26 AM

Blast-Off looks right, Vortex, on the other hand...

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE(Spectre @ Feb 8 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vortex and Blast-Off look like they're in the completely wrong colors. icon-depth.gif

Unfortunately those are pretty much the right colors for the game...


I don't want to judge Bruticus prematurely but I will say that those shoulder connectors look too long and out of place. That's the one thing that's really throwing it off for me.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:29 AM

Its like powercore combiner proportions at a deluxe level.

But I don't think its possible to over stress how severely (mis) transformed that clusterhug is in the arms.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

Looks pretty awesome to me. Gimme!

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Feb 7 2012, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its like powercore combiner proportions at a deluxe level.


That's the first thing I thought as well. I imagined haggard toy designers screaming, "It's been too long! This is all we know now!"
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:34 AM

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Vortex and Blast-Off look like they're in the completely wrong colors. icon-depth.gif


Not for their Aligned-continuity selves! icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:34 AM

I hope they are sold separately, 'cause Blast-Off looks pretty cool by himself.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:35 AM

I honestly thought that pic was some horrid fan photoshop at first.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:40 AM

They've certainly got my money, but something seems wrong with those arms. Hopefully we see the correct transformation at Toyfair. If that's how it looks, it might be as hard to pose as the Energon combiners... though those purple joint connectors look interesting.


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