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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#61 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:43 AM

Eh, sometimes I almost wish they had stuck with the name Hot Shot for the movies, instead of opting for Bumblebee.

Imagine stores across the world, flooded with Hot Shots! IMAGINE!!!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:47 AM

Walky would die of a combination of overload-induced apathy and a priapism.
Reclaim the suffix.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:56 AM

Every child on Earth would consider him their personal hero! They'd dress up as him for Halloween! They'd soil bedsheets covered with his face!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Feb 6 2012, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Every child on Earth would consider him their personal hero! They'd dress up as him for Halloween! They'd soil bedsheets covered with his face!


Hot Shot? or Walky?

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:13 AM

That is the mystery, isn't it?


This new Shot figure is pretty great, though. Here's hoping for more non show characters or more future show characters.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:17 AM

This new Vehicon looks quite good to me. I'm thinking I need about four. Four is a good troop builder size for my collection.

Hot Shot looks decent enough to get also.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:25 PM

Check it: Arcee!

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She's still got a wheel hangin' off her back, and I think the "shoulder wings" are better on this version. Blue on the arms is nice. And the massive gun. That too.

Edited by RCX, 06 February 2012 - 12:30 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:29 PM

Now she looks to be an improvement!
I hope her wrists are pink.

Edited by Cheetimus Primal, 06 February 2012 - 12:30 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Feb 6 2012, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This new Shot figure is pretty great, though. Here's hoping for more non show characters or more future show characters.
Have to wonder if the Generations formula is being used here, and we've got extra heads on more molds than just this one.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:37 PM

I very much like the blue forearms and better "wings".

The only thing I'm not too sure on is the seemingly lack of details on the torso. The boobs and abs look like they should be on a simpler figure compared to the details on his limbs, back kibble and head.

*Edit* After a closer look, it seems that there may be some details on the stomach area that are being mostly obscured by the lighting and the globby silver paint. So...I guess that's better icon-hotrod.gif

Edited by NightViper, 06 February 2012 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:40 PM

My main problem with the FE was the wings hanging on the outside of her arms rather than behind. This fixes it, so I'm happy.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:43 PM

Yeah, I might like this Arcee just slightly more. I wonder if she's a little smaller due to that huge gun, or if some of the pieces are recycled and she's about the same. I hope all those silver parts are actually going to be pink. I've always really liked that they kept the pink in her color scheme.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:46 PM

As long as she's the same height (or preferably shorter) than RID Cliffjumper, she's work out fine. The FE one towers over him.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

Much nicer than the FE figure IMO, plus she should be smaller, Yayyyy!!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

I wonder where that huge gun goes in bike mode. That might not be pretty.
I also wonder if she'll come with a second blade. They look like they can peg into her arms.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Feb 6 2012, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder if she's a little smaller due to that huge gun, or if some of the pieces are recycled and she's about the same.


She shares no pieces, same as Cliffjumper, Optimus, and Bumblebee.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:19 PM

Wow, that's the first RID figure that actually looks better than the FE.

Well, check that. The RID figure looks more show accurate. I'm not convinced it will be a better toy than the FE one, but the show accurateness (and undoubtably smaller size) makes it a purchase. Besides, I'll buy any femmebot toy regardless. icon-waspy.gif

Though I find it hilarious that they went to the trouble to give her a show accurate gun, to the point where it will fit over her forearms, and then made it 400x too big.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 6 2012, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, that's the first RID figure that actually looks better than the FE.


I thought most people generally like RiD Vehicon better than FE Vehicon as well?


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:25 PM

I love the FE Arcee, but this one looks good, has the wings raised more (and on her back, but that wasn't my big complaint) and will be smaller.

Also I want it as Flamewar, preferably with a more G1-style Arcee head for the lulz.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:29 PM

That Arcee looks really good!
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