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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 TriBlurr

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:35 AM

Found this on tfw2005. No pics sadly.

Prime Revealers (Deluxe)


Ironhide http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

Rumble http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

Dead End http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

Airrachnid http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

Prime Powerizers (Voyager)

Dreadwing http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

Bulkhead http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html


Generations Deluxes

FOC Optimus Prime http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

FOC Jazz http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

FOC Shockwave http://www.toyzandga...-pre-order.html

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

I don't see any Generations listings, just the 3 Prime ones above.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

Edited my post for the generations and powerizer listings

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:47 AM

Huh. I was already thinking about trying an Ironhide custom from Ratchet. Guess I will wait and see what that one is.

Rumble and Dead End aren't in the show right? I've watched almost all of season 1 so far.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

They're not in the show yet.

Ironhide's Cyberverse was revealed to us before but this is the first we've heard of the Deluxe. He's a pickup truck that takes cues from his WFC and Animated counterparts.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 2 2012, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh. I was already thinking about trying an Ironhide custom from Ratchet. Guess I will wait and see what that one is.

Rumble and Dead End aren't in the show right? I've watched almost all of season 1 so far.



Considering Dreadwing is also in the listings. I'd wager these guys might be season 2 characters.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

GENERATIONS - YAY! icon-hotrod.gif

FoC Optimus - Booooooo. Sure it was probably inevitably but yuck what a waste of a limited number of Gen spots. icon-waspy.gif

FoC Jazz - Knew we were getting it but MEH. RtS did him perfect. Can't see ever needing another Jazz. Could maybe be saved by a working winch grapple but probably a pass.

FoC Shockwave - Finally a winner. God I hope this is a cool toy. Shockwave is conspicuously missing from my Classics shelf. Would have prefered a Voyager, but I'll take a tall deluxe. Please look awesome.


-ZacWilliam hoping RiD Rumble is the unreleased mold with some accessory to bump up the price point... NEED PICS!

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

I doubt that Prime Rumble is the RtS figure with some extra accessories. I mean, now that is wishful thinking! icon-ball.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:24 AM

Zac William, if after we see photos you post one response about how it not being RTS Rumble disappoints you, I am going to kill a kitten. Seriously, dude.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Dude, I like kittens. Please don't make him doo that.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 2 2012, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zac William, if after we see photos you post one response about how it not being RTS Rumble disappoints you, I am going to kill a kitten. Seriously, dude.



Oh, I know it wouldn't match the aesthetic of Prime at all and is extremely unlikely, needing a pretty big accessory pack-in to hit the right size class on top of the other problems. Call it a fleeting dream of seeing that mold at US retail. I'm not hanging any expectations on it happening.

-ZacWilliam, can I atleast hope for a toy that looks something close to the G1 guy and is of a size and relative aesthetic to fit in passably on my Classics shelf? I really don't expect to be collecting more than a handfull of Prime toys so filling in my G1 shelf just takes priority for me. Your mileage of course may vary.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

Seconded Cheets!

Seriously though, Shockwave better be awesomesauce, or else!!!!

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:34 AM

Nice, let's hope that Shockwave is a pleasantly large-looking deluxe in robot mode. I did enjoy that design, so I'm not totally unhappy about this despite being a Classics whore.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:40 AM

I'd be tempted to put Shockwave with my Classics...but he's Prime Shockwave, not G1 Shockwave.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

Meh, Generations news isn't great. Prime is the inevitable waste of a slot (yet more Optimus, but this time with probably the worst Cybertronian Prime design in the history of the franchise), Jazz is I'm afraid just not terribly interesting, and I was really, really hoping they'd save Shockwave for a Voyager so he'd be the same size as Classics Megatron.

I do hope that Generations isn't entirely FOC for a while too?

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

Oooh, my interest is definitely piqued by these listings. I cannot wait for pics. I just hope the FOC Prime isn't a straight up repaint - that it at least has some new moulded parts or something.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:44 AM

Tsk tsk, Ironhide should be a Voyager. icon-hotrod.gif

Thinking about it, Airachnid really should be one as well, but I guess I feel that way more because her altmode is a helicopter.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ Feb 2 2012, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd be tempted to put Shockwave with my Classics...but he's Prime Shockwave, not G1 Shockwave.


Tell that to Energon Omega Supreme. Movie Bludgeon, Powerglide, and Guzzle. And the other guys from different lines filling out my CHUGUR shelf. If it looks reasonably like G1 Shockwave and doesn't clash strongly wi the Classic aesthetic that's all I need to make him an honorary CHUGUR.


-ZacWilliam, hoping we get at least two Dinobots and an Insecticon out of Generation this time. I really want all of both teams but that's probably a pipe dream....
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:49 AM

SHOCKWAVE

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

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Agree. FOC me, I need these toys.



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