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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just


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#61 SoS

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif

I won't be any where near that. Depends on how much you ordered, but I preordered the entire RID lineup and I'm thinking shipping will be $30 to $60 for the first set, and probably a bit less for the second.

Remember these guys come out in two different months and will ship separately. They won't ship together (one shipment for May releases the other for June).

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I'm thinking of preordering the entire line as well. I was thinking of going with EMS, since FedEx would probably be the expensive route. Which shipping option do you usually choose Randy?


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#62 Darkstream

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:49 PM

i'm going to have to pick a few and order them now and then figure out what to do. Do i put them on the list or do i buy one a week or something....

what to do,but...MINICONS!!!! WOOOO!!!!!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:06 PM

I ...I was just recovering from the addiction... It's like buying premium beer to an alcoholic. Why do I keep falling? why?...... icon-screamer.gif
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE(SoS @ Feb 1 2012, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm thinking of preordering the entire line as well. I was thinking of going with EMS, since FedEx would probably be the expensive route. Which shipping option do you usually choose Randy?

I almost always go with EMS. If you're ordering any more than 1 figure or something large it's usually worth it compared to SAL.

Since I've gotten a lot of questions about this, here are my orders from HLJ in the last 360 days. All used EMS shipping, you can get a rough estimate on how much you might be looking for in regards to shipping charges based on this. I have a lot of very large orders and a lot of orders that are just one or two figures. Looking quickly the most expensive shipping was 8500 ish yen, which was for some huge orders (which I think is $120 these days).

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE(SoS @ Feb 1 2012, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif

I won't be any where near that. Depends on how much you ordered, but I preordered the entire RID lineup and I'm thinking shipping will be $30 to $60 for the first set, and probably a bit less for the second.

Remember these guys come out in two different months and will ship separately. They won't ship together (one shipment for May releases the other for June).

Randy

I'm thinking of preordering the entire line as well. I was thinking of going with EMS, since FedEx would probably be the expensive route. Which shipping option do you usually choose Randy?


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think it would be cheaper to do a small bulk order?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:10 PM

Wait, are the Mini-cons sold separately, or do the figures actually come with them?

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:14 PM

figures come with the minicons.

Can someone make a list of who comes out when in a neat fashion so i can figure out what everything would cost?

nvm i will:

March release:
Prime-Voyager
bee-deluxe
Cliff-non Zombie-deluxe
Ratchet-deluxe
Megatron-deluxe
skywarp-deluxe

April:
Zombie Cliffjumper-deluxe
Soundwave-deluxe
Acree-deluxe

June:
Voy-Starscream? Tf source has it that price point.
Bulkhead-Voyager
Breakdown-voyager
knockout-deluxe
Bicon-deluxe

So there you go....Prices will vary from store to store.

Edited by Darkstream, 01 February 2012 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

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March:
Megatron-Deluxe

June:
Vehicon-deluxe

Megatron is priced as a Deluxe

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

Breakdown is a Voyager.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:33 PM

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Breakdown is a Voyager.

tf source has him at deluxe pricepoint...http://tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/3607/

and fixed megatron

Edited by Darkstream, 01 February 2012 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

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Breakdown is a Voyager.

tf source has him at deluxe pricepoint...http://tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/3607/

and fixed megatron

BBTS, HLJ, and AmiAmi have him as a Voyager.
http://www.bigbadtoy...amp;mode=retail
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT45256
http://www.amiami.co...c...0$pagecnt=1

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Breakdown is a Voyager.

tf source has him at deluxe pricepoint...http://tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/3607/

and fixed megatron

BBTS, HLJ, and AmiAmi have him as a Voyager.
http://www.bigbadtoy...amp;mode=retail
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT45256
http://www.amiami.co...c...0$pagecnt=1

ill change it but how odd..

Pc what you think the shipping would be for the march toys? im assuming around the 8500...


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:07 PM

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Bicon-deluxe


Vehicon.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

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ill change it but how odd..

Pc what you think the shipping would be for the march toys? im assuming around the 8500...

I doubt it...well at least I hope not. If you look at Randy's order history, the only transaction that cost him 8500 for shipping had roughly 12 toys and one of those was a Masterpiece figure.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

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Pc what you think the shipping would be for the march toys? im assuming around the 8500...

No it should be much less if it's just 1 Voyager and 5 Deluxes.

I'd say between 4000 Yen and 6000 Yen roughly. I'm sure it might even be cheaper if 4 Deluxes were just 2,500 yen and 2 Voyagers were 2,300 yen.

I think once it reaches certain thresholds for the size of the box and/or weight it reaches a pretty set price.

I'd have to see if I have any orders older than that (like for early United or Henkei) that are around that size.

The 8,500 yen orders I purchased were very large Masterpiece figures or a ton of United figures with at least doubles of each.

I think something like the order with Striker Optimus and the 2 EZ Collection boxes (which was 5,440 Yen) is more likely.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:28 PM

thanks..now to convince the wife

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:45 PM

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I wish I could tell if Bulkhead was a new mold or the same as the FE version, because then I could cancel him on HLJ and get one with extra minicon.


In their promo shots they used the show's CGI models for the molds they don't have photos of (Arcee, Ratchet and Bulkhead), Blacked out the new voyagers(Starscream and Optimus), and used toys for the ones Hasbro has released images of or is an FE toy(Soundwave, Cliffjumper, Bumblebee, Terracon Cliff and That is deluxe Megatron as HLJ has him at deluxe price). Just anoter piece of evidence saying Bulkhead is getting a new Voyager toy.


And that just means I have to get FE Bulkhead still somehow, because I have no idea what this new mold looks like. Maybe I can cancel FE Cliffjumper because the Zombie version is mostly the same. Decisions decisions.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:37 PM

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Does HLJ charge when the Pre-Orders are made?


Nah. Like BBTS, they're a big enough store that they can afford to defer payment until the product is in stock.

YAY!

Optimus Prime and Ratchet pre-ordered!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

Curse you, Takara Tomy! *shakes fist* (preorders put in)

The micron targetmaster idea is genius. I hope we have better paint decos on the figures to boot too.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

So these are my names for these guys:

Optimus's partner -> Over-Run
Skywarp's -> Ramhorn
Starscream's -> Nighthawk
Bulkhead's -> Ironfist
Cliffjimper's -> Chaingun
Megatron's -> Fusionfire
Ratchet's -> Scalpel
Bumblebee -> Doublebarrel
Soundwave -> Scorpulator
Arcee -> Switchblade
Terrorcon Cliffjumper -> Maddog
Capsule Optimus Prime -> Modus Prime
Capsule Bumblebee - Sparkplug
Capsule lizardbot -> Geckor
Capsule snakebot -> Snakebite

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