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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#41 Powered Convoy

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

Like mx-01 archon said they don't charge until your item ship (and even then the charge amount may take a few days to weeks to show up on your card because they're in Japan and it depends on how your card holder handles those kinds of charges).

I don't know if that's the case on their Paypal service though (I haven't used it since they changed it around a year or two ago). Before it was at the time of shipping too, but that could cause problems if they sell out while waiting for you to pay (when using their old Paypal method). With the new method I think it deducts automatically similar to a credit card.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:53 AM

Here's hoping TakTom makes Skyquake with a chaingun Micron.

Edited by Robogeek1973, 01 February 2012 - 11:53 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:53 AM

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i'm actually fine with the U.S Wheeljack, he has two swords so I'm all set.

But...But what if TT comes out with a Micron that splits into TWO swords? OR TWO MINICONS? WHAT THEN?

No really, I just want to see better picks, and budget out some money for these.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm actually fine with the U.S Wheeljack, he has two swords so I'm all set.

But...But what if TT comes out with a Micron that splits into TWO swords? OR TWO MINICONS? WHAT THEN?


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:59 AM

So is anyone here expecting better paint apps on the Prime toys as well? Or do you think the budget went into minicons instead?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:00 PM

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Here's hoping TakTom makes Skyquake with a chaingun Micron.

Now That would be Awesome!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:02 PM

Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:05 PM

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Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

Hrrrm, this sweets the deal for going Takara.

I'd have to see them first to make sure nobody had a head-to-toe metallic paint job like the First Edition Bulkhead, though; I don't like how paint job came out. Metallic paint being used for detailing, I like, but not the whole figure (unless it's United Tracks icon-fire.gif).

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:17 PM

!!! holy jive. How the hell am I gonna be able to afford importing these? If they all come with Targetmaster versions of their ACTUAL WEAPONS there is no WAY I'm going to pass, especially after the way Hasbro's been handling their distribution lately (even if they do make these available domestically, what are the odds I'd actually be able to BUY them?).

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif

I won't be any where near that. Depends on how much you ordered, but I preordered the entire RID lineup and I'm thinking shipping will be $30 to $60 for the first set, and probably a bit less for the second.

Remember these guys come out in two different months and will ship separately. They won't ship together (one shipment for May releases the other for June).

QUOTE(Moroboshi @ Feb 1 2012, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hrrrm, this sweets the deal for going Takara.

I'd have to see them first to make sure nobody had a head-to-toe metallic paint job like the First Edition Bulkhead, though; I don't like how paint job came out. Metallic paint being used for detailing, I like, but not the whole figure (unless it's United Tracks icon-fire.gif).

Bulkhead wasn't painted metallic, he was cast in metallic plastic. It's very nice and really show accurate.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:19 PM

Damn I want these, but I don't think I can afford them...

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.


Their prices are better even WITH the deal HLJ has going on right now?


If so, shame on you for telling me AFTER I've placed my order. icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:34 PM

I just want the microns at this point.
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Liege is a small dude with a lot of wisdom.

Well one of those descriptive words is accurate I suppose!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:39 PM

Dude... Japan, NOT COOL! You're making Hasbro look ever worse! Hasbro, PLEASE get these molds on our shelves!

Standard internet whining aside, these do look awesome. I am both comforted that we are getting the seeker trio, and yet disappointed since somehow I thought they might break that cycle at last (as with Bee and CJ)
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.


Their prices are better even WITH the deal HLJ has going on right now?


If so, shame on you for telling me AFTER I've placed my order. icon-arcee.gif


You can cancel an HLJ order.

You can't cancel AmiAmi orders.

But yeah; when I looked this morning AmiAmi seemed to have better prices, all the same. Though HLJs are still good enough for me to tentatively preorder the line with them.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.


Their prices are better even WITH the deal HLJ has going on right now?


If so, shame on you for telling me AFTER I've placed my order. icon-arcee.gif


You can cancel an HLJ order.



Yeah that's why I'm keeping it regardless. you never know what can happen between now and then and the ability to cancel something if needed is a big help sometimes.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.


Their prices are better even WITH the deal HLJ has going on right now?


If so, shame on you for telling me AFTER I've placed my order. icon-arcee.gif


You can cancel an HLJ order.

You can't cancel AmiAmi orders.

But yeah; when I looked this morning AmiAmi seemed to have better prices, all the same. Though HLJs are still good enough for me to tentatively preorder the line with them.


HLJ is offering 20% off the list price, AmiAmi is offering 26-27% off, 1460 vs 1600 for deluxes. However AmiAmi is sold out of Ratchets for some reason?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 1 2012, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I just calculated the price difference of what I bought at HLJ as opposed to BBTS and not counting shipping cost I saved $190 on these guys. icon-bee.gif


We'll see what shipping works out to be but I highly doubt it'll be over $190. icon-fire.gif


AmiAmi's even cheaper than HLJ; main difference though is the inability to cancel preorders.

However, AmiAmi has a better shipping policy in that they'll hold all your orders for the month before shipping them out if you want.


Their prices are better even WITH the deal HLJ has going on right now?


If so, shame on you for telling me AFTER I've placed my order. icon-arcee.gif


You can cancel an HLJ order.

You can't cancel AmiAmi orders.

But yeah; when I looked this morning AmiAmi seemed to have better prices, all the same. Though HLJs are still good enough for me to tentatively preorder the line with them.


HLJ is offering 20% off the list price, AmiAmi is offering 26-27% off, 1460 vs 1600 for deluxes. However AmiAmi is sold out of Ratchets for some reason?

Oh? Huh - must be a lot of Ratchet fans hoping he gets a better deco on the Takara toy.

Me, I preordered Terrorcon Cliff and Soundwave there - I want Scorpulator and Ravage pretty badly. Heck - since Cliff would be going with my First Edition Prime toys, Ravage is free to stand alone on the Prime shelf, too!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:16 PM

QUOTE(General Tekno @ Feb 1 2012, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh? Huh - must be a lot of Ratchet fans hoping he gets a better deco on the Takara toy.


I know a lot of folks over at TFW are hating the U.S version's paint (or lack of) scheme and are hoping the Takara version is better.


I'm getting him for the Micron personally.



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