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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#21 LV!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

We sure got high on these toys without knowing what 90% of their decos will look like.

Cool Mini-Cons, though.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

I wish I could tell if Bulkhead was a new mold or the same as the FE version, because then I could cancel him on HLJ and get one with extra minicon.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE(Sprocket @ Feb 1 2012, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else notice most of them turn into what are essentially each character's weapon from the show? Bulkhead's blaster, Cliffjumper's 'horns', Ratchet's sword, Arcee's tonfa blade, Bumblebee's pulse-gun, and Megatron's cannon?


If anything, that's what's going to make me re-buy some of these characters.

Giving Bulkhead a Targetmaster buddy, I can take or leave. Giving him an approximation of his blaster from the show, and I want the hell out of it.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:28 AM

Microns... they had to include Microns.


Now I don't know what to do. I'm budgeted for the U.S line but now want the Japan one, AAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!


Randy, how is shipping prices for HLJ? With their sale going on I'm wondering if I'd save enough $$$ buying from them over buying from BBTS.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE(Triceratron 1 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wish I could tell if Bulkhead was a new mold or the same as the FE version, because then I could cancel him on HLJ and get one with extra minicon.


In their promo shots they used the show's CGI models for the molds they don't have photos of (Arcee, Ratchet and Bulkhead), Blacked out the new voyagers(Starscream and Optimus), and used toys for the ones Hasbro has released images of or is an FE toy(Soundwave, Cliffjumper, Bumblebee, Terracon Cliff and That is deluxe Megatron as HLJ has him at deluxe price). Just anoter piece of evidence saying Bulkhead is getting a new Voyager toy.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Randy, how is shipping prices for HLJ? With their sale going on I'm wondering if I'd save enough $$$ buying from them over buying from BBTS.

Shipping is expensive, but as long as my orders have 2 to 3 or more figures in them I always end up saving money over ordering with BBTS or TFSource. What extra I pay in shipping is more than made up for on what I save on the figures (and I get the expensive EMS shipping in almost every instance).

Though lately HLJ hasn't been able to fill my orders (with the EZ Chronicles Wave 2 and the latest United figures). Though I think those were special cases as they were more limited (despite ordering the first or second day they went up for order). I think you'd be fine with a mass release line like this one.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Randy, how is shipping prices for HLJ? With their sale going on I'm wondering if I'd save enough $$$ buying from them over buying from BBTS.

Shipping is expensive, but as long as my orders have 2 to 3 or more figures in them I always end up saving money over ordering with BBTS or TFSource. What extra I pay in shipping is more than made up for on what I save on the figures (and I get the expensive EMS shipping in almost every instance).

Though lately HLJ hasn't been able to fill my orders (with the EZ Chronicles Wave 2 and the latest United figures). Though I think those were special cases as they were more limited (despite ordering the first or second day they went up for order). I think you'd be fine with a mass release line like this one.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:58 AM


GAH, I don't want to buy most of those Prime figures. I definetly don't want to import them. But I'd love to have all those Minicons. Guess I have to just cross my fingers for a domestic release...


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GAH, I don't want to buy most of those Prime figures. I definetly don't want to import them. But I'd love to have all those Minicons. Guess I have to just cross my fingers for a domestic release...


ZacWilliam, wonders exactly how Zombiejumper works with a partner, even an animal one without eating its brain...


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Feb 1 2012, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GAH, I don't want to buy most of those Prime figures. I definetly don't want to import them. But I'd love to have all those Minicons. Guess I have to just cross my fingers for a domestic release...


ZacWilliam, wonders exactly how Zombiejumper works with a partner, even an animal one without eating its brain...


Like DOTM Megatron and the Scalpels living inside him.


So IT eats his brain. Got it. icon-arcee.gif


ZacWilliam, wants Starscream to be sold with a better (read more G1) Laserbeak to fit where the regular one goes.
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QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Feb 1 2012, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GAH, I don't want to buy most of those Prime figures. I definetly don't want to import them. But I'd love to have all those Minicons. Guess I have to just cross my fingers for a domestic release...


ZacWilliam, wonders exactly how Zombiejumper works with a partner, even an animal one without eating its brain...


Like DOTM Megatron and the Scalpels living inside him.


So IT eats his brain. Got it. icon-arcee.gif


ZacWilliam, wants Starscream to be sold with a better (read more G1) Laserbeak to fit where the regular one goes.


I wouldn't bank on that, tbh.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:11 AM

Just made my first HLJ purchase for most of these guys.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ZacWilliam, wants Starscream to be sold with a better (read more G1) Laserbeak to fit where the regular one goes.

Starscream, do you mean Soundwave? Or am I missing something?

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just made my first HLJ purchase for most of these guys.


Except for Bumblebee, nothing saves that guy. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:25 AM

Does HLJ charge when the Pre-Orders are made?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ZacWilliam, wants Starscream to be sold with a better (read more G1) Laserbeak to fit where the regular one goes.

Starscream, do you mean Soundwave? Or am I missing something?


Yes I meant Soundwave. Heh. I'm gonna blame Autocorrect. But that was probably all me.


Zac, would take a Ravage too.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just made my first HLJ purchase for most of these guys.


Except for Bumblebee, nothing saves that guy. icon-fire.gif


I will be getting these, but not yet. I want to see better pictures, and want to know what the deal with Wheeljack is. If TT isn't releasing Deluxe Wheeljack for some reason, that's fine, I'll pick up the US release, but I want to know more and put in one big order rather then a few small orders. Saves shipping, ya know?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:34 AM

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Zac, would take a Ravage too.



Stop it, you're making me all aroused and such.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 1 2012, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will be getting these, but not yet. I want to see better pictures


ANY pictures, in some cases.

I want Bulkhead's micron more than anyone else's, but how'm I supposed to pull that trigger on an unseen mold knowing how RID Optimus and Bumblebee turned out?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

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Does HLJ charge when the Pre-Orders are made?


Nah. Like BBTS, they're a big enough store that they can afford to defer payment until the product is in stock.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 1 2012, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just made my first HLJ purchase for most of these guys.


Except for Bumblebee, nothing saves that guy. icon-fire.gif


I will be getting these, but not yet. I want to see better pictures, and want to know what the deal with Wheeljack is. If TT isn't releasing Deluxe Wheeljack for some reason, that's fine, I'll pick up the US release, but I want to know more and put in one big order rather then a few small orders. Saves shipping, ya know?


i'm actually fine with the U.S Wheeljack, he has two swords so I'm all set.

Edited by Robogeek1973, 01 February 2012 - 11:42 AM.




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