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@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:02 PM)

If they were in the G1 continuity (which I doubt would happen), then yes. Otherwise, a reboot would likely be separate from G1 and the current Movieverse.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 01:49 PM)

Characters from rebooted movies would most likely get their own pages.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

If Transformers movies ever gets rebooted and if they decide to do more G1ish designs, would TFWiki classify that Movie's Optimus or Megatron as G1 (maybe giving them sub-pages like the one for IDW Optimus) or would they give them their own pages. Just wondering.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 12:53 PM)

Ha. How fitting that Beast Wars: Uprising implicitly repurposed the Star Convoy toy as an actual building called the Star Convoy.

@  Fnu Aw : (20 August 2016 - 10:05 AM)

At least Star Convoy has elbows.

@  Bass X0 : (20 August 2016 - 10:01 AM)

Never owned Star Convoy, but he looks like as much of a brick as the original Powermaster Optimus Prime articulation wise; minus the cab robot,


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#1 Repugnus

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

And here I was starting to think we'd never get to see what Zeta Prime looks like!

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:45 PM

"Jihauxus"?

#3 Repugnus

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:02 PM

QUOTE(Creedence @ Jan 31 2012, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Jihauxus"?


At least they're always innovating new ways to misspell his name.

Who knows, maybe it'll get fixed for the release. I imagine it's probably a lot easier to tweak these kinds of things even at the last minute when the distribution is exclusively digital.

But anyway, am I the only one confused by Starscream being a delegate? It's been a while since I've read Megatron: Origin, but I seem to recall he outed himself as a Decepticon before the senate, and since that would've happened way back when Sentinal Prime was still alive, wouldn't his status as a Decepticon be well known by the time Zeta Prime showed up?

Edited by Repugnus, 31 January 2012 - 07:07 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE(Repugnus @ Jan 31 2012, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Creedence @ Jan 31 2012, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Jihauxus"?


But anyway, am I the only one confused by Starscream being a delegate? It's been a while since I've read Megatron: Origin, but I seem to recall he outed himself as a Decepticon before the senate, and since that would've happened way back when Sentinal Prime was still alive, wouldn't his status as a Decepticon be well known by the time Zeta Prime showed up?


Livio Ramondelli said over on the IDW boards that it'll be explored in issue 3.

Plus, that was only Kaon's council, of whom Starscream murdered every possible witness.

Edited by Wildwade, 31 January 2012 - 07:19 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:25 PM

Speaking of Sentinel, I'm confused by Zeta referring to Nominus as his predecessor and as the one who failed to stop the rebellion, when that was explicitly Sentinel's role in Megatron Origin.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:31 PM

Yeah. It all seems like another continuity mess. At least the art is good here (I think).

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE(Repugnus @ Jan 31 2012, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Creedence @ Jan 31 2012, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Jihauxus"?


At least they're always innovating new ways to misspell his name.

Who knows, maybe it'll get fixed for the release. I imagine it's probably a lot easier to tweak these kinds of things even at the last minute when the distribution is exclusively digital.

But anyway, am I the only one confused by Starscream being a delegate? It's been a while since I've read Megatron: Origin, but I seem to recall he outed himself as a Decepticon before the senate, and since that would've happened way back when Sentinal Prime was still alive, wouldn't his status as a Decepticon be well known by the time Zeta Prime showed up?


Cybertronian politics have always been a bit murky, but is it really any different than being a Soviet ambassador to the United Nations during the 80's, the President of Iran making a fuss on the UN floor, or an African warlord guilty of massive human rights violations still touring New York with diplomatic plates? Cybertron IS an entire world...how much pull does Iacon really have following the occupation of Kaon? Or a military coup in Vos and Tarn? In the real world, we love to throw around the phrase "terrorist state" these days, but as long as it's a recognized legitimate government, a Decepticon state in Kaon might still get a delegate on the Senate floor. And then there's the idea that the Senate has to tolerate Starscream, but the Prime does not.

It's pretty interesting all around, and I'd love a deeper look into Cybertronian political science, especially in the eary days of the war.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:39 AM

QUOTE(Repugnus @ Feb 1 2012, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But anyway, am I the only one confused by Starscream being a delegate? It's been a while since I've read Megatron: Origin, but I seem to recall he outed himself as a Decepticon before the senate, and since that would've happened way back when Sentinal Prime was still alive, wouldn't his status as a Decepticon be well known by the time Zeta Prime showed up?


Not to mention him killing the whole council, kidnapping that senator Decimus and multiple other atroctities, in Megatron: Origin...

Also, is that Zeta Prime on the cover? That head looks like the unholy union of Boba Fett and Magneto topped with Unicron's horns. We get it, artist... he's corrupt and probably evil. Geez...

Edited by BB Shockwave, 01 February 2012 - 04:46 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:06 AM

So they're basically giving away half the issue for free?

Nice one.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:22 AM

It does seem weird giving away 3 of the 8 story pages for free. I will say that Ramondelli's art suits this series much better than it did Chaos. The page of Orion Pax/Ultra Magnus sparring looks magnificent.

And am I the only one who get's a slight Death's Head vibe from Zeta Prime's appearance? I think it's the horns.

Nominus was crowbarred in between Sentinel and Zeta in Chaos Theory if I recall my admonitions from last issue's threads, right? I take it this means we haven't had a good look at what Nominus might look like.

Any speculation on what any of the pre-Optimus Prime's alt-modes might be? No really visible vehicle kibble on Zeta.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:58 AM

No, Chaos Theory placed Nominus in-between Nova and Sentinel. The current line of Primes in IDW is:

Nova Prime - Spotlight: Optimus Prime, 11 million years ago, reign ended with launch of the Ark
Nominus Prime - Chaos Theory, responsible for apartheid, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Sentinel Prime - Megatron: Origin, active at start of the war, survival of Kaon uprising uncertain
Zeta Prime - Spotlight: Blurr, active in the early days of the war, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Optimus Prime - The Big Red Truck, rise unchronicled, currently resigned and AWOL
Rodimus (Prime)

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

It's up for sale.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

I didn't mind the first issue. Quite enjoyed it, to be honest.

This issue though, was dreadful. I wish I had the useless 99 cents back, it's that bad.

Villainy on the level of cartoon Megatron, what appears to be two editing errors (one minor, the Jhiaxus thing, and the larger one, I THINK, is that some dialogue is missing from the Nominus/Starscream talk. Nominus challenged him to repeat what he just said, only SS hadn't said anything. I don't know it could be intentional in any way, something is missing), and then even more stupidity from Starscream to create a diversion, again, one of cartoon level stupidity (blow the cover of a useful ally you bought in...brilliant)

The art looked good. The story was woeful. 3/10

Remember old IDW? The one that did crappy Transformers comics? Yeah. This seems like their kind of thing.

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:45 AM

Its 99 cents. I paid more for candy that I found out I didn't like.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 1 2012, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't mind the first issue. Quite enjoyed it, to be honest.

This issue though, was dreadful. I wish I had the useless 99 cents back, it's that bad.

Villainy on the level of cartoon Megatron, what appears to be two editing errors (one minor, the Jhiaxus thing, and the larger one, I THINK, is that some dialogue is missing from the Nominus/Starscream talk. Nominus challenged him to repeat what he just said, only SS hadn't said anything. I don't know it could be intentional in any way, something is missing), and then even more stupidity from Starscream to create a diversion, again, one of cartoon level stupidity (blow the cover of a useful ally you bought in...brilliant)

The art looked good. The story was woeful. 3/10

Remember old IDW? The one that did crappy Transformers comics? Yeah. This seems like their kind of thing.


Starscream DID say something. The Comixology version is just broken in that it cuts it off unless you're viewing the entire page.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its 99 cents. I paid more for candy that I found out I didn't like.


Oh I know it's a miserly amount, that's why I said 'useless 99 cents'.

I just really did not like this. This is the Metzen I was happy to not see in the first instalment.

And thanks for that, Tekno. I'm reading from my iPhone, so never use full page view. Thanks for correcting me on that.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Feb 1 2012, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Chaos Theory placed Nominus in-between Nova and Sentinel. The current line of Primes in IDW is:

Nova Prime - Spotlight: Optimus Prime, 11 million years ago, reign ended with launch of the Ark
Nominus Prime - Chaos Theory, responsible for apartheid, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Sentinel Prime - Megatron: Origin, active at start of the war, survival of Kaon uprising uncertain
Zeta Prime - Spotlight: Blurr, active in the early days of the war, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Optimus Prime - The Big Red Truck, rise unchronicled, currently resigned and AWOL
Rodimus (Prime)


I think IDW may be going the WFC route. And is now counting Sentinel and Zeta as the same person. Just my thought, probably wrong. (not sure how to place it, otherwise)
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 1 2012, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its 99 cents. I paid more for candy that I found out I didn't like.


Oh I know it's a miserly amount, that's why I said 'useless 99 cents'.

I just really did not like this. This is the Metzen I was happy to not see in the first instalment.

And thanks for that, Tekno. I'm reading from my iPhone, so never use full page view. Thanks for correcting me on that.

No worries; read it on my iPhone too, went "whaaa?", then noticed a cutoff speech balloon.

And honestly, I don't mind this. We're basically getting a Zeta Prime who's more interested in the symptoms of the problem than the problem itself. The dude's very much Megatron, from the ideological standpoint of "might makes right".

I sorta hope we get to see Megatron personally thank Zeta at some point in the story.

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#19 General Tekno

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 1 2012, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Xaaron @ Feb 1 2012, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Chaos Theory placed Nominus in-between Nova and Sentinel. The current line of Primes in IDW is:

Nova Prime - Spotlight: Optimus Prime, 11 million years ago, reign ended with launch of the Ark
Nominus Prime - Chaos Theory, responsible for apartheid, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Sentinel Prime - Megatron: Origin, active at start of the war, survival of Kaon uprising uncertain
Zeta Prime - Spotlight: Blurr, active in the early days of the war, target of assassination attempt, survival unknown
Optimus Prime - The Big Red Truck, rise unchronicled, currently resigned and AWOL
Rodimus (Prime)


I think IDW may be going the WFC route. And is now counting Sentinel and Zeta as the same person. Just my thought, probably wrong. (not sure how to place it, otherwise)


If that's the case, might I postulate that this actually works if Sentinel got heavily rebuilt after Megatron Origin's aftermath and took a new name?

Plus, that beating he took would be enough to drive anyone to "do whatever it takes".

Only problem with the idea is that he'd probably know who Starscream was, then. And it's implied there's no survivors from Kaon to finger him as the perp who offed Kaon's senate.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Feb 1 2012, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I take it this means we haven't had a good look at what Nominus might look like.


We got a glimpse of his Nominus Prime's face on a monitor in part two of Chaos Theory, and then Alex Milne posted a full view of his full character design over at his Deviantart page:

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