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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#21 DeadPigmon

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:19 PM

Man did Amrada do very well in Japan or something? its like they never stopped with the minicons


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#22 Mrduce1018

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:23 PM

Can't wait to get these guys. Anyone know who might be getting these for us US fans? Hydra comes to mind, anyone else?

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:24 PM

This is a welcome development. Wonder what the US release format will be.


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#24 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:26 PM

Minicons do exist in this universe. That snake and gecko are bad ass.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:34 PM

Apparently the whole Micron thing for Prime is Japan-only, so I doubt if these will be seen in the US, either.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:43 PM

Wow, that's really surprising.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:56 PM

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This is a welcome development. Wonder what the US release format will be.

Probably none.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:15 PM

Poop.


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#29 Lazy Garou

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:42 PM

A part of me ( something like 5% of my brainpower) tends to think of this weird paranoid Theory that exclusives like these are a form of revenge because we had easy access to some cybertron molds that were not that easily available in Japan. Namely Menasor and Quickmix. And some people were so pissed off by that that they decided to work for Takara, so they could develop stuff that would be impossible for fans and collectors from the rest of the world to acquire, and now their evil schemes are coming to fruition.
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#30 Mecheon

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:51 PM

Pff, Quickmix and Menasor would have been easy for someone in Japan to get the US versions of, just Ebay it icon-waspy.gif

Interesting that there a few Microns being made for this, though. These ones and those other ones that turn into the weapons and all. Given they're all new molds I wonder if Hasbro has any plan at all, even if they are originally capsule toys. They did sell the previously blind-packed Micromaster Combiners, after all

#31 Lazy Garou

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:57 PM

I'm not saying it was a sound theory, it's some paranoid thought of my idle mind. just that.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:46 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 31 2012, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, that's really surprising.

Sucks to live in America and be a Minicon collector (or heck even a Transformers Prime collector). icon-fire.gif

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nah...always ways to get what we need..

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:27 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 1 2012, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Cobra looks like it might transform into Knock Out's Cattle Prod.

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And the gecko looks like the buzzsaw he used when he wanted to 'take a sample' of Ratchet in that drug abuse episode.

Man, these look awesome. I do hope they are not Takara Exclusive, but I'll get them even if they are.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:21 AM

QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 1 2012, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A part of me ( something like 5% of my brainpower) tends to think of this weird paranoid Theory that exclusives like these are a form of revenge because we had easy access to some cybertron molds that were not that easily available in Japan. Namely Menasor and Quickmix. And some people were so pissed off by that that they decided to work for Takara, so they could develop stuff that would be impossible for fans and collectors from the rest of the world to acquire, and now their evil schemes are coming to fruition.


We sold those as an e-HOBBY USA exclusive, so they were easy enough. icon-ironhide.gif
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:10 PM

Not as stoked on these as I am for the others, but in general I want ALL these weapon Minicons. I hope they come out in the States.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:32 AM

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nah...always ways to get what we need..

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:46 AM

Captured Prey has these guys up for preorder, snagged myself a couple beasties. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

Wow, that's surprisingly cheap.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:24 PM

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Wow, that's surprisingly cheap.


Yep, not bad at all.

The two beasties cost me just under $14 shipped. icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Feb 2 2012, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Captured Prey has these guys up for preorder, snagged myself a couple beasties. icon-hotrod.gif


And...bought. icon-hotrod.gif

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