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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#241 Alpha Omega Trion Supreme

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Jan 31 2012, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 31 2012, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You also have to factor in that there's going to be a massive rush from the hardcore fans right at the beginning, and those figures aren't likely to be consistent throughout the sale.

This is a very important disclaimer. There's definitely a declining curve involved.

That said, the difficulties of getting through, coupled with the break between yesterday's order period and whenever things open up again (today?), make it harder than usual to predict what will happen this time around.

I hope you guys are right about the initial rush. I'll tell you that the email from TCC about *only* 20% selling during that short time wasn't exactly consoling when I read it.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 31 2012, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's also shown as storing the swords, so I believe (despite owning 4 versions of that mold - both Drifts and both Blurrs) he can't store his little guns in their holsters as Drift's holsters are made for the swords only (they tooling is different from Drift to Blurr).

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Confirmed experimentally. Also confirmed that Drift's swords can't fit in Blurr's holsters, either. (Man, I really thought that would work, too...)

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:52 PM

QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Jan 31 2012, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Jan 31 2012, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 31 2012, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You also have to factor in that there's going to be a massive rush from the hardcore fans right at the beginning, and those figures aren't likely to be consistent throughout the sale.

This is a very important disclaimer. There's definitely a declining curve involved.

That said, the difficulties of getting through, coupled with the break between yesterday's order period and whenever things open up again (today?), make it harder than usual to predict what will happen this time around.

I hope you guys are right about the initial rush. I'll tell you that the email from TCC about *only* 20% selling during that short time wasn't exactly consoling when I read it.


My thoughts exactly! 20% in like, what, an hour at the most?? That's alot to me. I really don't want to end up with JUST Runamuck!

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Dake @ Jan 31 2012, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As much as I loathe something like Mattycollector's subscriptions, I would happily have given the Club the money for Over-Runabout after the first photoshops were out and they could just ship him when he's ready.
That's... exactly what we're doing here, though? I mean the reason Matty does that is so they have a guaranteed baseline of how many of each figure to make. Fun Pub has already determined their production runs fairly decently, and they don't have as many figures to juggle.


Well, not precisely. Matty's numbers - if Toyguru can be believed - are set way ahead of time. They just want as many presold as possible. They have flat out stated they are only making X number of figures and if they get to a point where they have X-1 subscriptions then there will only be one extra figure for sale on sale day. After the 2012 subs were closed they announced they are even scaling back production despite the fact that new figures continue to sell out though it may take a week instead of an hour. They constantly warn there will be fewer and fewer figures available for day-of sales and they don't seem to care if people who can't or won't foot the bill for a year's worth of figures sight unseen are out of luck.

I think the difference with Fun Pub comes from the fact they aren't having to plan out a year's worth of figures, just two. Let's say they normally make 2000 figures. If they sell 2500 or 3000 preorders/donations then boom - they can plan on making more before the factory even gets going. Then, they can tack on an extra couple of hundred for Botcon and webstore stock. It also strikes at the scalping mentality too. Why should someone else make 100% profit off of their product if Fun Pub could actually make enough for everyone that wants one and pocket the money themselves?

Edited by Dake, 31 January 2012 - 08:37 PM.

 
 
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#245 Rosicrucian

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:43 PM

To really do that, you need to do preorders at least six months in advance, as I understand it. That's the kind of turnaround time on production numbers.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:58 PM

Well, they had the final decos done for this year's figures by their August 12th update with the mockups the following month so that's not too far off. Now admittedly, they only teased Runamuck in September and sat on Overrunabout for some time afterwards but it didn't sound like they had to do that - it was just building suspense.

Edited by Dake, 31 January 2012 - 08:59 PM.

 
 
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

Need to keep the word out on this, members are reporting fraud charges after ordering from funpub AGAIN.

http://www.tfw2005.c...ep-eye-out.html

http://www.allspark....s...=84493&st=0

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:07 AM

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Need to keep the word out on this, members are reporting fraud charges after ordering from funpub AGAIN.

http://www.tfw2005.c...ep-eye-out.html

http://www.allspark....s...=84493&st=0

I'd exercise caution before suggesting that FunPub is to blame. If you'll read the thread on TFW, there are some factors that suggest it might possibly be something else causing the trouble, unrelated to any FunPub transactions.

I'm not absolving them, but these are serious accusations, and we need more evidence (and, just as important, the evidence pointing in other directions must also be explained) before we start rumors that could have such serious implications for a company.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:41 AM

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Just to let everyone know, we have upgraded our online security systems this week after a recent audit of our internal and external procedures. Online security is a serious business and Fun Publications takes it seriously. We have implemented an ongoing review process of these security systems so that as internet thieves become more sophisticated, so will our defense systems. If you have any concerns, please let us know. When you order from anyone on any kind of device, make sure that https starts the url. This means it is under a secure socket layer and is encrypted during transmission. Additionally all information in our database is encrypted under a 256K algorithm.


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There have only been a handful of fraud problems and we haven't confirmed how many IF ANY were on our end. This upgrade was a precautionary measure. Fraud can come from many sources and it is difficult to determine with 100% certainty what happened in those rare cases. We are dedicated to solving any problems and will do whatever is necessary to make shopping with the Club a secure experience.


Or basically what G.B. said. With the added information about them stepping up their security now and in the future.

#250 Sprocket

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:01 PM

Looks like they're back up.

Edited by Sprocket, 01 February 2012 - 04:01 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:03 PM

Not quite yet...

They're on the front page; links don't work.
Although I did manage to get one in my cart, but by the time I checked out it was gone again and I couldn't process my order. Lol.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:03 PM

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Looks like they're back up.

Not yet, they're testing out the links. If you try to order them it won't go through.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:04 PM

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Not quite yet...

They're on the front page; links don't work.
Although I did manage to get one in my cart, but by the time I checked out it was gone again and I couldn't process my order. Lol.

Lol, same happened me.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:07 PM

Gah, hurry up & get those links up, I have to leave for work! I hope they're still in stock when I get back in several hours. Still don't like that "only" 20% thing icon-primal.gif


AHHHH! I got my order in!!!!!! Please, let there be nothing stopping that order from ....whatever! icon-fire.gif

Edited by Paranoia Dragon, 01 February 2012 - 04:11 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

It's up now!


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

They're up!

I got Runabout! Sweet.

...oh, and look at that. I just got my confirmation e-mail too. ( ^ ~^ )

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:09 PM

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:10 PM

Done with my order and got confirmation email. Thank goodness.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:15 PM

First time through I got the same error.

Second time it worked though.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:20 PM

It worked! Awesome!

Can't wait to get those Battlechargers together. icon-hotrod.gif

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I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 




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