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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Gridlock

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 03:53 PM

http://io9.com/58797...thought-wed-see

Seacons! Can't wait to see more new designs.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

Oh man, not Cthulhu!

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#3 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Jan 29 2012, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man, not Cthulhu!


That guy gets everywhere. icon-arcee.gif

Love me some Lovecraft though. The real authentic stuff.

The Pretender Monsters might have been the obvious choice to use here what with the existent Lovecraft link in Monstructor, but I'm kinda glad to see the Seacons get some airtime instead. Underused and all that.

Anyone else have the fish-men remind them of that fish Battle Beast with the purple armor?


-ZacWilliam, would be interrested to read this but with RiD and MtMtE firing on all burners it's less of a priority for me. I'll see how the reviews go... Love Guido's art at least. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

Looks pretty awesome.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:32 PM

I've already decided to grab this title (as well as the 2 Infestation 2 issues, naturally) but I'll wait to see if I'll like it before grabbing the other titles, like GI Joe or TMNT. I'll probably get the trade if I decide to.

Interesting to see they changed the 'Bee design, didn't mind his original HoS look. Or maybe that was just for the cover and he'll be a locomotive again in the series.

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Oh man, not Cthulhu!


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:58 PM

this is more perfect than it has any right to be

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 29 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else have the fish-men remind them of that fish Battle Beast with the purple armor?


I dunno, to me they look quite a bit like Submarauder.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Tindalos @ Jan 29 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 29 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else have the fish-men remind them of that fish Battle Beast with the purple armor?


I dunno, to me they look quite a bit like Submarauder.


They are the Submarauderiest.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:35 PM

Huh, didn't expect to see HoS again. Cool that they're not just visiting the main IDW universe again, since TF is very multiversal.

Looks pretty cool, even for someone who doesn't care about Lovecraft.

As a side note, I hope eventually Kup resurfaces somewhere.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:30 PM

I'm on board for this one.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Jan 29 2012, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh, didn't expect to see HoS again. Cool that they're not just visiting the main IDW universe again, since TF is very multiversal.

Looks pretty cool, even for someone who doesn't care about Lovecraft.

As a side note, I hope eventually Kup resurfaces somewhere.


I think this is so they can do a bit more with the premise.

In the main IDW-verse we knew going in there was going to be nothing of lasting consequence to the core cast or universe.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:11 AM

I figured they just didn't want to drag the main continuity into a crossover a month after the relaunch. Besides, steampunk and Lovecraft work well together.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:18 AM

I didn't care one bit for Infestation 1.

But Cthulhu and Steampunk TFs? I'm ALL over that.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:59 AM

This works so, so much better than the first Infestation on a concept level.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:59 AM

So what will infestation 3 be about?

So this time around are the comics actually going to cross over at all?

Also, should I ever bother with any of the IDW comics relating to Infestation, like wherever these CVO guys are from?
Woooo!

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:59 AM

You know, my initial reaction to this was "great, this one isn't a part of the man IDW continuity, so I don't have to read it." Mainly due to the first Infestation being so weak, except for the Star Trek issues, which didn't even need to be linked to Infestation to work.

But this....actually looks like it may be decent. Like someone above said, this time I'm waiting for reviews, and if I read it it'll likely end up being the eventual Trade Paperback.

Edit: @ Zodberg: I wouldn't bother with any of the others unless you were already reading them. From what I saw of CVO (admittedly, just what was in the crossover) it read like a lame ripoff of Hellboy and Torchwood. And no, not in an awesome way, despite how that description sounds.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:55 PM

Seacons? SEACONS?!

Dammit, I was hoping this would hold no interest to me and I could skip it without a second thought, even with the HoS designs. Although I am hoping it'll have Kup in some way.

Interestingly, Snap Trap seems to have a mini Piranacon head instead of his normal head.

-Edit- Oh and I love that they're using Submarauder's pretender shell design (who I just realized both robot and shell share the same colors as the Seacons).

Edited by Fenix Twilight, 30 January 2012 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 06:07 PM

A shame it's only going to be 2 issues though (right?)

Good to see the Italian Stallion back on Art duties, especially the Hearts of Steel kind. Since he came up with most of those delicious designs.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:32 AM

So, that's solved, Submarauder works for Dagon... icon-fire.gif

I am looking forward to this, a cover piece also suggests Shockwave will be returning. icon-hotrod.gif

The Seacons shown are Snaptrap, Tentakil, Nautilator and... Skalor maybe?

Edited by BB Shockwave, 31 January 2012 - 11:37 AM.

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