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#121 Shoggoth

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Feb 1 2012, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep.
But there is still a time to make a decision on fanservice in future series. I really hope this kind of reaction to Derpy will put the end to it, if not... well, as I said before - I'm not really looking to s03. I even started to skip some s02 episodes (used to keep up with them before).


Oh no, I ain't even touching this one. Is it so bad? >_>



Kein, you are weird. You think the show has been ruined because they put in little background gags for us that they could have put in even if we didn't exist? Very weird. Certainly overreacting, skipping episodes and all. (I sort of want to know which ones)

As to the episode review, if you actually bothered to take a look you would find that it is very positive, and that he praises the fact that they had what was very obviously The Music Man inspiration for the song, on top of believable antagonists. That guy is actually rather objective, as shown in his video on the season one pilot episodes.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Feb 1 2012, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, they've thrown Derpy in there as a shout-out; and as of last weekend we got Doctor Whooves in a Tennant-style tie; but you guys honestly think a few harmless things like that is going to lead to weird sexualizing or other "mature" stuff? Give me a break. The only negative aspect to Derpy's recent speaking role was the way a handful of halfwits reacted to it.

I never made mention of any sexual or mature content in my statement, only the acknowledgement of the fandom by the creators. If that is the impression you get from my comment, then that is just a testament to the level of depravity of your own mind or an unwillingness to try to understand what is being said.
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#123 Scavgraphics

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

The problem is Sobana's using the word "influence", which has the wrong connotation.

Fandom has "influenced" the show's direction in the other week's episode in that a scene was directly written as a hat tip to fans with Derpy.

Doctor Whooves there isn't an "influence", but it is a shout out. They needed a time keeper for the scene. And it was decided "as long as someone is going to be keeping time let's use Whooves." either as a shout out, or because the particular artist likes Whooves.

Being aware of fandom and acknowledging it isn't the same as being influenced by it.


TLDR: Doctor Whooves keeping time isn't "fan influence"...the mane 6 going on adventures inside Doctor Whooves' blue farm house is.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE(pao @ Jan 31 2012, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CR! (A That Guy With The Glasses contributor who you may also recall from his two-part MLP retrospective) gave reviewing this episode a shot.

I give his review squiggle out of kerplonk, which is to say I'm not metareviewing. That way lies madness.


A good review...much better than the bulk of the NC's Disney reviews, many of them broke down to "I don't think Disney should do this kind of story".

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
f I put a silly green unicorn in the background (something I've been doing since before it became a hit with the fans) I see it more as an easter egg, something I do for fun, regardless of if bronies were around or not, and it's something I will continue to do.


Heh...I was gonna use Lyra gags as an additional example, but decided I didn't want to drag you back in icon-fire.gif


QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PS - Since I know someone is inevitably going to screenshot this and post it on ponibooru... /waves to ponibooru. You crazy, crazy people... how in the world did I get a whole tag dedicated to me? /sigh. I'm not that important, really.


In your mind, you're "just a layout artist"...but you're OUR layout artist!

#126 Matenshi

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:47 PM

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In your mind, you're "just a layout artist"...but you're OUR layout artist!

We will name him George, and we will hug him and pet him and squeeze him...

#127 Cabooceratops

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:56 PM

I actually kinda thought it was Lyra, myself. icon-waspy.gif

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Feb 1 2012, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shoggoth
That is not what I said and you perfectly aware of that. As Nayuki mentioned - "Brony Goggles Effect", people see what they wan to see. Wind back to first pages, I explained what I meant.


A lot of your posts do read as variations on "OMG RUINED FOREVER", whether you think so or not. If you acknowledge the "Brony Goggles Effect", then there's no reason for you to so often be a victim of them. If your contempt for parts the fandom is causing you to go so far as to skip episodes, then you're the only one missing out.

#129 Scavgraphics

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:01 PM

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

I've refreshed a few times, and all my ads in here seem computer-related. But one that's kind of relevant; a VPN service to access US-only streaming sites, lol.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Feb 1 2012, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(pao @ Feb 1 2012, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CR! (A That Guy With The Glasses contributor who you may also recall from his two-part MLP retrospective) gave reviewing this episode a shot.

I give his review squiggle out of kerplonk, which is to say I'm not metareviewing. That way lies madness.

Oh no, I ain't even touching this one. Is it so bad? >_>

"Not metareviewing" == "not reviewing the review." I intentionally used funny words instead. Seems like a guy can't even make a silly joke around here anymore without getting misinterpreted. icon-primal.gif

...moving right along.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Feb 1 2012, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think he was referring to the tirades you used to go on some months back, where you were POSITIVE the animators were throwing in intentional "plot shots" to the fans. People haven't forgotten those posts as quickly as you've seemed to.

Yes, but that and this are different subject matters all together. I can have more then one option on a different aspect of the subject, can't I? If I went to the debate section and talked about religion would you naturally assume I could incorporate religion in every comment I made? Of course not. If I made reference to their plots before, why would you think that is all I could discuss?

But, since you insist on referring to it , we did it, number one meaning in the urban dictionary, we should be proud.

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you see any differences between a shoutout and an easter egg? For me, I consider Derpy as something for the fans, whereas if I put a silly green unicorn in the background (something I've been doing since before it became a hit with the fans) I see it more as an easter egg, something I do for fun, regardless of if bronies were around or not, and it's something I will continue to do. You'll find these sorts of things in a lot of cartoons, it's just something artists do for fun when it's appropriate.

Yes, I feel that if you add something to it with the intent of pleasing the fans your discussions are being 'influenced'. Some cartoons finish an entire season before airing it without concern for the viewers interest or after learning of the fan appeal refuse to alter the script in any way. I consider shoutouts and even eastereggs of acknowledgement to be influences by the fans, because without the fans input those things would never be added. Even if they are not targeting any specific group.

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nay! The advertising department and the show are two completely different entities.


Lulz

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think I need to coin a new term: 'The Brony Goggle Effect'. You can probably see where I'm going with this... it's pretty much where a brony chooses to interpret things seen in the show as directly targeted at them even when there is really no easter egg or shoutout in the first place. As an example, if 2 random background ponies happen to be in a scene together, people with 'brony goggles' may interpret it as the pair sharing a romantic relationship and being a shoutout instead of the far more likely truth that they are simply part of a crowd meant to make Ponyville feel like a lively town instead of a barren wasteland with no other ponies but the main cast. "OMG, if we freeze-frame this scene just right, it looks they're making lovey-dovey eyes! What? They're just blinking? Nah, that would actually make sense, and we can't have that."

The way we make the show hasn't changed from season 1 to 2, and won't change going from season 2 to 3. Our goal is still to make an awesome cartoon for girls that their parents can enjoy watching with them, and if parents can enjoy the show, there's no reason other adults can't too. Really it just comes down to us wanting to make the show good, and good is something anyone can like.

Yes, that does make sense, I am of all people especially guilty of that. But, I think that what makes if partly fun.

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Feb 1 2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really, really was considering not replying to this since it's going to draw more attention to myself than I like. The last thing I want is to be the subject of front page EQD news. I honestly like to think that my posts are merely me posting what I believe to be common sense.

PS - Since I know someone is inevitably going to screenshot this and post it on ponibooru... /waves to ponibooru. You crazy, crazy people... how in the world did I get a whole tag dedicated to me? /sigh. I'm not that important, really.

Well, not just to ponibooru, I visit a lot of pony sites you don't know about. But, I think you might secretly be enjoying all this attention.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:13 AM

Well, the show continues to be fantastic and shows no signs of stopping, so frankly I couldn't care less if there's fan-influence or not. Derpy is the extent of the fandom's "influence", I think, and even then the fandom couldn't get the show staff to do anything they wouldn't want to do in the first place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this fanfluence argument coupled with ridiculous doom and gloom? If so, and if you're still on that idea, then stop being ridiculous.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 04:30 AM

Shouldn't that discussion be in Pony Talk? Or at least Last Round Up cuz that's where Derpy is. Only Doctor Hooves is the fan character if note in the Cider ep.

I really do hope the producers don't take the bad reactions negatively and stop the shout outs. It's been really cool. As for doom sayers, tv tropes listing of the term Ascended Fanon ( which Derpy counts as) doesn't really show fans enhancing the show as destroying the series and all that.

http://tvtropes.org/...Main.SureWhyNot

(It doesn't list the Tiny Toons Summer Vacation and Mandark Dexter kids ep that I brought up in the Round Up thread. Spengler and others gave more details)
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#135 Scavgraphics

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Feb 2 2012, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really do hope the producers don't take the bad reactions negatively and stop the shout outs.


There's like 1 "I hate this" to ever 100 "FANGASM!" reaction, from what I've seen. (There's like 10 different "My reaction to Derpy talking" vids on youtube).

As for the real tweakers who do stuff like send hate mail, let's face it, they send hate mail because they don't like how Twilight parts her mane, too.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Feb 2 2012, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this fanfluence argument coupled with ridiculous doom and gloom? If so, and if you're still on that idea, then stop being ridiculous.

Not at all, you might be confusing me with Kien because we bantered back and forth a lot during the discussion.

QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Feb 2 2012, 04:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shouldn't that discussion be in Pony Talk? Or at least Last Round Up cuz that's where Derpy is. Only Doctor Hooves is the fan character if note in the Cider ep.

You are right, I will save my ranting for the appropriate thread next time. I kinda wanted to do that to begin with but if i just came out of the blue like that it would sound like trolling.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Feb 2 2012, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Feb 2 2012, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this fanfluence argument coupled with ridiculous doom and gloom? If so, and if you're still on that idea, then stop being ridiculous.

Not at all, you might be confusing me with Kien because we bantered back and forth a lot during the discussion.

Well alright, sorry for assuming.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:29 PM

Well, this episode ,while not as good as The Last Roundup for me, was still up there in quality. Rainbow Dash stood out in this episode with several funny scenes. The song was superb and the ending was quite epic if I must say so. The shadows applied near the end were neat. Great job again to everyone involved. Also, I'm beginning gifs tonight.

Edited by Shutterbug, 02 February 2012 - 07:29 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:53 PM

Finally got a chance to see that review and I lol'd when he said "This is the most successful struggling farm in history"

QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sobana @ Feb 2 2012, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Feb 2 2012, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this fanfluence argument coupled with ridiculous doom and gloom? If so, and if you're still on that idea, then stop being ridiculous.

Not at all, you might be confusing me with Kien because we bantered back and forth a lot during the discussion.

Well alright, sorry for assuming.

Don't worry about it *huggles*

Edited by Sobana, 03 February 2012 - 12:08 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:40 AM

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