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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#21 Fishbug

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:14 PM

That's twice now that Over-Run has been used in a "Crap! We need a new name!" situation.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:44 PM

Wasn't "Runabout" already known to be unavailable way back when Hasbro had to call his Cybertron counterpart Runamuck instead?

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:17 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 27 2012, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasn't "Runabout" already known to be unavailable way back when Hasbro had to call his Cybertron counterpart Runamuck instead?

Yes but a lot can change in 7 years.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:45 PM

It seems like FunPub doesn't check until the toys are being produced for some reason, which seems odd. Same thing happened with Botcon Streetwise.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:46 PM

Couldn't they do Run-a-bout instead or will that not get around the problem?
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jan 27 2012, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems like FunPub doesn't check until the toys are being produced for some reason, which seems odd. Same thing happened with Botcon Streetwise.


Well, it's not an instant process. Especially since it has to go through Hasbro Legal.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Jan 27 2012, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't they do Run-a-bout instead or will that not get around the problem?


Any new trademark would have delayed the toys. Any trademark that would require a check by Hasbro Legal (whether it was due to age or other reasons) would have delayed the toys. So to keep the toys on schedule, a name from the past couple years was reused.

And this is of course just for the toy. Anything that has to do with the character in fiction will still call him "Runabout".

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Jan 27 2012, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't they do Run-a-bout instead or will that not get around the problem?

No.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:58 PM

Given how long we've known these guys were coming, and obviously FP has known for even longer, it does seem more than a little odd that they are seemingly just now discovering "Runabout" wasn't available. It smacks of a lack of planning.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:04 PM

Look! It's Over-RUN, he's ABOUT ready to join the battle!
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(LV! @ Jan 27 2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given how long we've known these guys were coming, and obviously FP has known for even longer, it does seem more than a little odd that they are seemingly just now discovering "Runabout" wasn't available. It smacks of a lack of planning.


Fun Pub doesn't hold any trademarks. That all belongs to Hasbro. So Hasbro have to be the ones to check to see if they own/can own the names. Fun Pub can't check anything.

So Fun Pub can plan all they want. And it can be a 100% fool proof plan on their end. But after all of that, they still have to rely on Hasbro for the whole thing to come together.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Jan 27 2012, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fun Pub doesn't hold any trademarks. That all belongs to Hasbro. So Hasbro have to be the ones to check to see if they own/can own the names. Fun Pub can't check anything.

So Fun Pub can plan all they want. And it can be a 100% fool proof plan on their end. But after all of that, they still have to rely on Hasbro for the whole thing to come together.

Believe me, I know all too well how relying on Hasbro can work. Nonetheless, given this (in the form of Streetwise) has bitten FP in the past, I would think they might spend a little more time asking the appropriate parties "Hey, you ever find out if we can use 'Runabout'?".

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Jan 27 2012, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(C16 @ Jan 27 2012, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't they do Run-a-bout instead or will that not get around the problem?


Any new trademark would have delayed the toys. Any trademark that would require a check by Hasbro Legal (whether it was due to age or other reasons) would have delayed the toys. So to keep the toys on schedule, a name from the past couple years was reused.

And this is of course just for the toy. Anything that has to do with the character in fiction will still call him "Runabout".


I prefer to use the name on the packaging in most cases and think of a reason why they would change their name in fiction when upgrading to their new form. Whether its by choice like Bumblebee to Goldbug or forced changed names like Octane to Tankor.

Obviously I won't use names like Beast Changer.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:41 PM

Have they made a mention about what week they were gonna put the preorder up??
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

Next week, supposedly.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 08:18 PM

They could have made him Canadian and called him Runaboot.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 08:21 PM

Should have called him Run-Over.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 08:38 PM

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Should have called him Run-Over.


The last (and only) time Run-Over was used was 2003. Nine years ago.

That's quite some time since someone at Hasbro checked on the name. It more than likely would have required a search.

Over-Run was used last year. No search necessary.

So if the time constraints were such that they could not wait for a search, Run-Over wasn't an option.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:07 AM

Battle Charger then. Last used a year ago. An appropriate name that does not change anything about him. When having to change a character's name, the original team name if they were in one should be the first thing to check.

But obviously I wouldn't want Octane to be given the name "Triple Changer" on his packaging.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:10 PM

I am very tempted to join the club for this toy. Gorgeous.



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