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That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

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What?

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Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

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Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.


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#161 Internet Jesus

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:32 PM

All of my hate. I'm glad I got Cliffjumper for $40. But I really wanted Bulkhead.

This rustles my jimmies quite a bit.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 28 2012, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 29 2012, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And the Optimus Prime pre-order is also sold out.

Dammit.


Yeah, the Takara First Edition Optimus Prime preorder never was opened back up today that I saw. And yes, I shockingly knew what I was talking about all along. icon-fire.gif

Times like these make me wish they had a waitlist system for when preorders open back up Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.


It was open when I placed my pre-order for Cliffjumper.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 28 2012, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, can we perhaps start a thread in the BST forum, and sticky it, for people looking to acquire FE toys and people in the Great White North willing to go to bat and hook them up if possible?


Would it only be for FE? The RID stuff isn't at full circulation either & some of us may want that too...
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:42 PM

The RID stuff is indeed not in full circulation, but its also NOT being discontinued. As such, there's a bit of a difference here.

That said, I'd see no harm in it. I just don't want to muddle the issue.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Shattered @ Jan 29 2012, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 28 2012, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 29 2012, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And the Optimus Prime pre-order is also sold out.

Dammit.


Yeah, the Takara First Edition Optimus Prime preorder never was opened back up today that I saw. And yes, I shockingly knew what I was talking about all along. icon-fire.gif

Times like these make me wish they had a waitlist system for when preorders open back up Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.


It was open when I placed my pre-order for Cliffjumper.


Well damn, and here I was the one who reported on Bulkhead and Cliffjumper, and kept an eye on it throughout the day. I'll keep checking I guess, I've done it before with preorders that were sold out. They frequently will get more, or someone will cancel.

Really wanting to see Voyager Starscream, because I want to go ahead and get Takara Deluxe Starscream if I don't like the Voyager. The added contrast with the black just does it for me for some reason.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:22 PM

Has BBTS officially declared that the pre-orders for FE merchandise is kaput? I'm reading a lot of panic in this thread, but I'm not seeing much in the way of official declaration from the business, especially with all the people(including me) who still have pre-orders. I'm having much difficulty believing there's been a line of figures manufactured and only a smidgeon of it has actually hit retail or will ever hit retail.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Jan 28 2012, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has BBTS officially declared that the pre-orders for FE merchandise is kaput? I'm reading a lot of panic in this thread, but I'm not seeing much in the way of official declaration from the business, especially with all the people(including me) who still have pre-orders. I'm having much difficulty believing there's been a line of figures manufactured and only a smidgeon of it has actually hit retail or will ever hit retail.


Like I said earlier, no one's pre-orders have been cancelled, nor has any notice been sent out. All we have is a few people who, being curiuous, emailed BBTS and asked...and got a reply saying "tune in wednesday!", basically.

There's a whole rant a page or two back.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:10 AM

QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 28 2012, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jan 28 2012, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This leaves all of us in a pretty jivey situation; I've passed up on stuff I saw at TRU, because I was waiting for my BBTS Preorder. I've passed up reasonable eBay prices, because I was waiting for my BBTS Preorder. I've passed up on asking a Canadian to aquire some of the products I want for me, because I was waiting for my BBTS Preorder.

None of these options are viable anymore. And BBTS should know that I, and 90% of the folks who have FE stuff on Preorder don't want RiD product instead.

So while the situation seems to be a Hasbro foul-up, I'm just as displeased with BBTS if this is all how it looks so far. They made a pretty big deal about promoting themselves as the ONLY garunteed way to get this product (In fact, initially implying there'd be no retail release at all). And now they've suckered a lot of people into being left without any options but insane price gouging (Buy Takara, eBay) or being SOL on the whole line.

This echoes exactly how I felt. When people were buying FE Voyager Op off eBay, I wanted to jump but made myself wait because I had my BBTS pre-orders. Now, it seems I'm going to have to either accept being gouged or just do without, unless some friendly Canuck is able to assist me.

This bites.



If I see any, i'll let you know, but i'll tell you right now that thanks to the terrible distribution and case packaging, it was almost impossible to find a Bulkhead when they hit the shelves. That was about a month ago and I haven't see any in my city since.

In fact, I checked the local TRU tonight and they only had 2 Bumblebees. I remember with pain for you guys walking into one of those TRU's and seeing 5 Cliffjumpers and 9 FE Voyager Op's on the shelves. If I had only known....

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:43 AM

icon-depth.gif That avatar.....

I just want a Cliffjumper myself

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:59 AM

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Jan 29 2012, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In fact, I checked the local TRU tonight and they only had 2 Bumblebees. I remember with pain for you guys walking into one of those TRU's and seeing 5 Cliffjumpers and 9 FE Voyager Op's on the shelves. If I had only known....

It's probably a regional thing. Last night I went to a TRU, and through some charm/wit/flirting/fibbing, I got one of the girls to bring out 3 unopened cases of TFP deluxes and one unopened case of TFP voyagers, from which I promptly bought Bulkhead.
I feel like I got the last one in the city!

And even though I finally got Bulky, and therefore all the FE figure I have any interest in (Prime. Arcee, Cliff, & Bulky), my statement from page 7 still stands, this whole debacle has been colossally stupid!



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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:20 PM

So, was Zombie Cliffjumper part of the first edition waves or is it part of the RiD line?
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE(Corgsopal @ Jan 29 2012, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, was Zombie Cliffjumper part of the first edition waves or is it part of the RiD line?


It would've been part of the last FE wave, with the car Vehicon.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE(Corgsopal @ Jan 29 2012, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, was Zombie Cliffjumper part of the first edition waves or is it part of the RiD line?

First Edition along with the Vehicon.

Zombie Cliff is getting released in TakaraTomy's version of RiD so maybe he'll show up in Hasbro's too.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 29 2012, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Corgsopal @ Jan 29 2012, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, was Zombie Cliffjumper part of the first edition waves or is it part of the RiD line?

First Edition along with the Vehicon.

Zombie Cliff is getting released in TakaraTomy's version of RiD so maybe he'll show up in Hasbro's too.

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Ugh I hope so. I don't want to spend $40 on one, and I kind of promised a buddy of mine I'd get him one.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:11 AM

Do all the new RiD voyagers have a ligh-up gimmick or something (Powerizers?) Because that might indicate more going on behind the scenes then we realize. Maybe two competing concepts, and the electronic toys won out in the end, and precipitated th FE line as a whole, and this new strangeness.

Also, what does this mean for the DOTM tail-end deluxes, and the Movie Trilogy waves?

Lots of hinky stuff going on, belike.

Edited by Nanite, 30 January 2012 - 12:47 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:38 AM

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Also, what does this mean for the DOTM tail-end deluxes, and the Movie Trilogy waves?

... suddenly I'm very worried for the G1 Homage DotM Wheeljack...

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:50 AM

I thought at Botcon they said the repaints of Wheeljack and Soundwave in DOTM will be in the RiD line

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE(The Doctor Who @ Jan 29 2012, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Jan 30 2012, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, what does this mean for the DOTM tail-end deluxes, and the Movie Trilogy waves?

... suddenly I'm very worried for the G1 Homage DotM Wheeljack...


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