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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 6 2012, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OhcrapIamsostupid.

I messed up and forgot a word in that last questioning post. I meant to ask:

So the RiD Cyberverse Legion Cliffjumper (who is the best version of Prime CLiffjumper, IMO) says "Series 2" on the packaging. I thought he was in the first wave and all that.

Sorry about that. Anyway, what was Series 1 of the Cyberverse Legion Class?


Like I said earlier, DOTM Cyberverse is series 1.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:28 PM

Is regular FE Cliffjumper in car mode and Zombie in robot mode in their packaging?

Edit - Oh, also are all the Japanese versions from RID?

Edited by Axaday, 06 February 2012 - 10:30 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 6 2012, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got my TakaraTomy FE Vehicon and Cliffjumper today. They're pretty nice, CJ especially (who is a pain, well both of them are, to transform). Also the Vehicon was very mistransformed in his packaging.

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I keep reading that about FE Cliffjumper, but I don't get it. Apart from the minor but brief terror of forcing the back of the car together when the tabs are made of clear plastic, what's so tough about the guy? He seems entirely straightforward.

(And while you're looking at differences, note that TakaraTomy FE Cliffjumper's robot-head horns have been blunted versus the pointier Hasbro ones. Go fig.)

Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.

Edited by SwiftEagle, 07 February 2012 - 12:05 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE(Axaday @ Feb 6 2012, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is regular FE Cliffjumper in car mode and Zombie in robot mode in their packaging?

Edit - Oh, also are all the Japanese versions from RID?


They are if their number starts with "AM-". AM-03 is Takara RID Cliffjumper.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Feb 7 2012, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(And while you're looking at differences, note that TakaraTomy FE Cliffjumper's robot-head horns have been blunted versus the pointier Hasbro ones. Go fig.)


Are you serious? Have we entired some backward parallel dimesion? That actually annoys me. I wonder why Takara would choose to do that now? Unless the factory switched the First Editions on them. icon-fire.gif

EDIT: Correct quote reference so that my comments makes sense.

Edited by Magick, 07 February 2012 - 11:36 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:25 AM

I don't entirely understand. Which bit seems backwards? Just like here (sort of), Takara released the FEs first and the RiD molds second...except for ZombieCliff, who's coming out in the later assortment there and seemingly not at all here.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:07 AM

TakaraTomy probably thought it too early to release Zombie Cliffjumper in the First Edition wave they release (it was just one wave for them). Either that or they wanted to hold off on the spoiler for the younger kids until later.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

Sorry for the confusion. I kept the wrong quote in my reply. I was referring to Takara's version having the neutered horns instead of Hasbro.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE(Magick @ Feb 7 2012, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for the confusion. I kept the wrong quote in my reply. I was referring to Takara's version having the neutered horns instead of Hasbro.

It's unusual, but not unprecedented. Takara's God Ginrai had "neutered" smokestacks while Hasbro's Powermaster Prime still had longer ones.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

Just recently United Thunderwing has very soft spikes/cannons on his shoulders that Generations Thunderwing and Sky Shadow do not.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:41 PM

I caved on Takara Arcee, Starscream and Cliffjumper. I just can't like the RID molds on those better.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

I can see liking the TT one better for sure, but for my perspective, I can't see paying 2-4x the cost for it.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:48 PM

Be careful of Cliffjumper's things that flip down below his headlights, I didn't realize they existed and snapped one off trying to cram his legs into car mode.

This is with the presumably more detailed TakaraTomy instructions too.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:48 PM

Well, First Edition never hit in this area, and my preorder with BBTS was for the 1.5 wave, and thus got changed to RID.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Be careful of Cliffjumper's things that flip down below his headlights, I didn't realize they existed and snapped one off trying to cram his legs into car mode.

This is with the presumably more detailed TakaraTomy instructions too.

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Ouch. My TT FE Cliffy just went in my BBTS pile of loot. He, Bulk, and the Vehicon are on their way to me!
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

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Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.


Ok, why do I see Cliffjumper packaged in either mode on blue cards?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy

Yeah, the Takara instructions were terrible. I'm still not convinced I'm doing it right--the car's sides still bulge out way more easily than it seems they should--but trying to figure out how to get that toy from robot to car the first time using those instructions was just hopeless. There were clearly notes pointing out important non-pictured steps, but, well, I don't speak Japanese.

I think the Hasbro version, packaged as a car, would be much easier to deal with.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE(Axaday @ Feb 7 2012, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Feb 6 2012, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.


Ok, why do I see Cliffjumper packaged in either mode on blue cards?

Car Mode = Hasbro
Robot Mode = TakaraTomy

The Cliffjumper released by TakaraTomy is the First Edition version.

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QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy

Yeah, the Takara instructions were terrible. I'm still not convinced I'm doing it right--the car's sides still bulge out way more easily than it seems they should--but trying to figure out how to get that toy from robot to car the first time using those instructions was just hopeless. There were clearly notes pointing out important non-pictured steps, but, well, I don't speak Japanese.

I think the Hasbro version, packaged as a car, would be much easier to deal with.

Did you fold the black parts of his legs down (the knees), as they fold down and to the side sort of like the below when transforming him?

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Or a approximation of the above.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:46 PM

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We very much apologize for the miscommunication with our great retailers in the U.S. Regrettably, as a result, the TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition Wave 2 Deluxe, Wave 1 Voyager and Entertainment Pack figures were posted for pre-sale in error. Final product was not produced for these figures to ship within the U.S. As such, any consumer who placed a pre-sale order with Big Bad Toy Store or Entertainment Earth in the U.S. received a note that their order had been cancelled and these orders will not be fulfilled. While it is common for Hasbro to cancel production and/or shipment of collectible figures prior to being listed for pre-sale, this particular situation was unique. We deeply regret this circumstance and understand your frustration.

We would also like to express that we hear the fan community in the U.S. loud and clear ? you want these specific TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition figures. While we can?t confirm anything at this time, and the format in which these figures are packaged and distributed may change, the team is looking into ways to make these available at a later date in the U.S. and will keep the fan community and our retailers posted as opportunities develop. We want to make this right, and making these figures available to the U.S. fans is a top priority for the team. We greatly appreciate your understanding and ongoing enthusiasm for the brand and hope in the mean time, you enjoy the TRANSFORMERS PRIME figures that are hitting shelves now and in the coming weeks.


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