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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Galenraff

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:54 AM

Below: Housekeeping and details // Other Ways to Give // Sig. Generator

Announcement: Allspark.com 2012 Charity Drive!

In what has quickly become my favorite and proudest time of year around here at the Allspark, I'm excited to announce the beginning of our 2012 Charity Drive to benefit the Hasbro Children's Hospital! Our first drive in 2010 was a surprise - a grassroots effort that sprang forth after we pooled money to buy a rare vintage toy catalog and then went on to donate nearly $2500. Last year we raised nearly $6400 and were then stunned when it was personally matched by Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner.

This year's goal: $8000. The deadline is 11:59pm on Sunday, February 26. $5 minimum suggested, but any amount is appreciated! Donate using the donation sig below, or continue to the post below for alternate payment methods.



We'll once again set out to buy a sponsorship of the Hasbro Children's Hospital annual fundraising gala being held on March 3 in Providence, RI. It's entitled the "Battleship Ball," based upon Hasbro's board game and upcoming movie property. Our sponsorship will earn us recognition at the event and in print materials, as well as 8 tickets to the gala. Read here to see Powered Convoy's report and photos from last year's awesome event.

It's a big number, and an ambitious goal. Higher even than last year's already surprising total. But this community - the strongest I've ever seen on fan forums - has done nothing short of the amazing in so generously giving support to sick kids and their families. I have a lot of confidence in this community, and I think we can do it!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:49 AM

A few minor pieces of housekeeping:

Method of Donation
This year we've integrated our automated system with Amazon Payments instead of Paypal (due to Paypal's recent bad track record with grassroots charity drives like this). It's actually really slick - it's no more difficult to donate than it is to buy a DVD or book or something! A small fee applies if you use the automated widget, but we feel it's worth it for the convenience. If you would like to pay a different way, scroll down for other options.

Tax Deductions
Please remember that if you give to the Allspark effort, your contributions are NOT tax-deductible. In effect, this constitutes many small gifts to a single individual (either Daytonus or myself). Only that person's single donation to the Hasbro Children's Hospital is deductible. However, as in previous years, any tax benefit as a result of claiming those deductions on our returns will be donated right back into the donation effort of the following year. (Last year I believe that was a couple hundred dollars. When I do my taxes, I'll let you all know what benefit last year's drive brings.) However, if your donation not being tax deductible makes this a dealbreaker for you, we understand, and would still encourage you to donate directly to the Hasbro Children's Hospital! While the collective credit to the community is nice, what really matters is support for the kids.

Money Only, But Be Creative
We are only able to collect money for this effort, not toys or other goods (whether new or used). But we'd still collect only money even if we could do other things. It turns out that money is by far the most efficient way for charitable organizations like the Hasbro Children's Hospital to support their work, because they can use it for research, diagnosis, patient care, and amenities (which includes toys and games). However, if you'd like to help and don't have money to spare, that's okay and we certainly don't want you living off ramen all month. Instead, consider selling used toys on Ebay and then contributing the proceeds. Do some commission art work in exchange for donations. Do some legwork for us - get the word out to your social networks, to your friends, and to your families! The more people who hear about this great community and the difference it's making, the more they'll be interested in helping!

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Other Ways to Contribute

Paypal: Send to grafferty@comcast.net. (For the type of transaction select "Personal", and mark it as "Gift".)

Personal check, money order, or other payment type: We continue to discourage these methods of payment mostly as a matter of convenience, but if you want to contribute and this is the only way, we'll try to accommodate you. Send a PM to Galenraff to request your payment type, and he'll work out the details with you. Please make these arrangements prior to February 15 if possible, so all transactions have time to clear before the deadline.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:07 AM

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Last year, the donation widget had a little Easter Egg -- character customization for our My Little Pony fans! This year, we're doing even more, pitting all manner of aquatic Transformers against the Ponies in a thrilling game of Battleship! Make your sig below!



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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:39 PM

Let's get this party started!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:46 PM

wow this already? time flew by

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:52 PM

I get paid again a week from tomorrow and I will definitely donate!

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:55 PM

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I get paid again a week from tomorrow and I will definitely donate!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:15 PM

Next time I get some expendable cash, I'll make sure to donate!

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:26 AM

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:42 AM

As soon as my income check clears I will donate

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:03 AM

2% in just 12 hours. Aw yeah, it's on! icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:38 AM

Come on guys, get those sigs going!

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:10 PM

I screwed up my first donation, so I donated twice.

$5 and $50

Hopefully we get close to our goal. I'm going to try and do an Ebay auction or two in February, so I can donate more - get rid of a few things and maybe sell a custom or two.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:29 PM

Apparently my transaction failed. icon-depth.gif

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 27 2012, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apparently my transaction failed. icon-depth.gif

Well, I received it. What did it say?

Edit: well, it looks like I received the failed transmission. Have any info?

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#19 Galenraff

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 27 2012, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apparently my transaction failed. icon-depth.gif

Did you use Amazon? What kind of error did it give you?

EDIT: Daytonus'd! icon-fire.gif

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#20 ▲ndrusi

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Jan 27 2012, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 27 2012, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apparently my transaction failed. icon-depth.gif

Well, I received it. What did it say?

Edit: well, it looks like I received the failed transmission. Have any info?

It just said my transaction failed. No potentially useful information of any kind.

Edit: Tried again and it worked. Must have been a transient glitch.

Edited by ▲ndrusi, 27 January 2012 - 12:46 PM.


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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.



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