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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Draven

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:04 PM

I didn't see a thread on this guy, so I thought I'd get one started. First up - the pics are a little dark. The brownish/bronze is more towards the bronze end of the spectrum than it appears in the pics. My bad.
Anyways.

Vehicle mode


Megatron's vehicle mode is that of a Cybertronian jet / spacecraft. I'm a little burned out on this sort of "Cybertronian vehicle" alt mode after the first 2 movies gave us such incredibly lacklustre Megatron figures, but at least this one tries to do something interesting. The head being visible as it is gives me the impression of a more utilitarian alt mode; designed for convenience and functionality. After all on Cybertron there would be no reason to hide such things.
Megatron's weapon fits on top of his alt mode. its gimmick still functions in this mode, but it rather useless. The blades won't do anything unless Megatron's opponent climbs on top of him and starts punching him.
Vehicle mode fits together very nicely; it's nice and solid. The silver/grey parts at the nose can move around, but everything else is locked into place by the legs.

Transformation is simple; fairly standard Voyager level complexity. No great surprises; basically the legs fold out from the jet's underside, the arms swing out, and the rest of the jet folds in 3 to make the upper body. The way the front armour on the jet becomes Megatron's torso armour is neat though. And this fairly cool transformation inevitably leads to...

Robot Mode

Megatron is a rather imposing and commanding looking robot character in robot mode. Every visible piece of silvery grey plastic is textured to give the impression of brushed metal. It would work better with a darker grey, or with more paint apps, but it does a good job in person of getting the idea across. The plastic is hard and solid.

Megatron's back kibble isn't anywhere near as bad as Voyager Prime's is; it folds up well and from the front it give the impression of "wings".

The face sculpt is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. If you're a fan of the whole TFP aesthetic, you'll probably like it a lot. Personally, I fall into that camp. If you aren't a fan of the TFP look it's probable that you'll either fall in love with the head or outright hate it.
Incidentally, that last shot shows the "brushed metal" texture on the shoulder & upper arm better.
Megatron doesn't have many paint apps but the ones he does have are effective enough; the transparent purple plastic definitely works in his case, and adds a nice leve of complexity to his appearance.

Megatron's posability is a mixed bag - limited neck movement, shoulders (balljoint), below-elbow swivel, hip (balljoint), thigh swivel. His wrists can rotate inwards, and his feet can rotate (they are not on balljoints though). He has no waist joint and, oddly enough, he has NO bicep swivel. The shoulder armour is not actually attached to the upper arms; it's on a separate pair of parts that allow extra movement for the upper arms. This extra movement does mitigate the loss of the bicep swivels to quite a degree, and it is possible to get some really nice poses out of him.



Megatron's accessories are a mixed bag. His hand held blade (held in the hand, & also pegged to the forearm) is a really nice accessory. One definitely wouldn't want to get in the way of an Angry Megatron brandishing that.
On the other hand, we have his cannon/blade/whatever that is. Pushing in the back end of the cannon will swing out 2 blade halves, and light up the clear plastic; as the piece with the light rotates it catches the clear plastic in Megatron's arm and looks pretty damn nice, to be honest. The light does not, unfortunately, light the cannon up. Pity. The blade is nice enough, but the problem is that the mechanism has no lock; let go of the cannon and it swings back again. The cannon does have some nice mechanical detailing on it, though, and as a cannon it looks VERY nice. it's just a shame that the battery cover is on the outer side of it, and VERY visible.

There is one VERY good thing about these new Voyager class light-up weapons, incidentally, that only occurred to me when I was fiddling with Megatron earlier - the electronics are NOT IN THE FIGURES. This is a BRILLIANT idea as it means that the figure's articulation and playability are in no way hampered by badly implemented gimmicks, as we've seen with other TF lines.

Conclusion
Voyager Megatron is a fairly show accurate representation of his on-screen counterpart with some nice touches, beautiful texturing, and minimal (yet effective) paint applications. I have to recommend him because although there are minor problems (weapon, bicep swivel), there's far more good to say about him than there is bad.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:14 PM

Nrr. I think I might pass on this guy after all. Just not impressing me as much as I'd hoped.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Jan 25 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nrr. I think I might pass on this guy after all. Just not impressing me as much as I'd hoped.

I'd have to agree. If I could find the FE version I'd rather have it.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:18 PM

Not sure yet, but he doesn't look bad. Any chance for some size comparison pics with the FE Prime figures?

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:31 PM

There's a side by side with fe prime here. http://www.tfw2005.c...-images-174198/

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:45 PM

You know, this mold (through pictorials) is starting to grow on me. I can live with this Megatron. I have come to actively enjoy his more realistic skull-face (as opposed to the more sharkish cartoon and Deluxe face)... why should Bludgeon get all the skully fun? His primary weapon blows his Autobot counterpart's out of the water, the secondary weapon makes some level of sense and is relatively inobtrusive, and overall the figure looks good. The light-up gimmick actually makes sense for Megatron this time around. I still wouldn't mind finding a Meg/OP 2-pack though. I still can't believe that the US just didn't get ANY of the FE toys beyond Wave 1.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:07 AM

well that's horrible.

Why would they add so much off model brown? not to mention making him completely the wrong colour


With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:28 AM

He looks pretty nice. Not in love with the face sculpt (looks messy) and the doofy exposed head in vehicle mode, but he looks like a buy.
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 12:52 AM

I'm actually liking this one more now, after seeing more of it. Initially I thought that gold plastic looked pretty weird, but I'm actually finding the interaction of the white, gold, and purple to be very striking. It seems like one of those color schemes where there's just enough of everything showing up to make it tie together and work. I was initially skeptical about the shoulder armor, but it doesn't seem to bother you, and I like that the weapons and gimmicks are separate and not obtrusive.

Still wouldn't mind getting a peek at the Takara version before buying.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

so white?

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:17 PM

Getting both this and the (Takara) deluxe on the same day, it's hard to say which I prefer. The deluxe has more paint apps, but probably more than the character should have. Megs in the show seems to be pretty uniformly grey, not dark and light and mid grey.

The canon is more accurate on the deluxe, he can swing his arms all the way around and he has a bicep swivel. The voyager has the extending sword (which you can do manually if you want to keep it deployed), the quite cool hand gauntlet, the more imposing shoulders, a below the arm swivel (which is good for those "come to me, my Decepticons" poses) and is bigger.

I am surprised by how similar their transformations are though. Normally the different sizes result in completely different transformation schemes, but these are almost identical, save for some oddities like his wings being on the other side of his legs.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE(chonosmoon @ Jan 29 2012, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so white?

More a light metallic grey.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:08 AM

The Bronze hands, feet, and knee-guards don't bother me too much.
I am not a fan of that clunky gun though.

A quick question Draven; how wide across is the barrel of his cannon?
That information would help me on a project I am working on for this figure.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

The grey really should have been darker.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:44 PM

Man, I haven't seen such a non-attempt to hide a head in alt-mode since Energon Ironhide.

Edited by KidTDragon, 31 January 2012 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:30 AM

Check his animation model. It's not hidden there either. So this is correct.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 31 2012, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The grey really should have been darker.

I knowwwwwi wish they woulda made use of that sexy darker metallicy grey plastic they use every oncce in awhile (dotm ultimate prime has bits of it used on him like his arms)would look a bajillion times more awesome than "dull gray"

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE(Lurkercon @ Jan 31 2012, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Check his animation model. It's not hidden there either. So this is correct.


Not only is it not hidden, the design actually goes out of its way to make sure that his eyes remain exposed. There's no other reason to have that hole in the top of the fuselage.

Personally, I find it to be somewhat of a creepy touch. The thought of Megatron glowering at you at all time, no matter what form he takes.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

Why even transform? Just fly in robot mode. But would he be too creepy for kids?
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:35 AM

while his ship mode isn't THAT aerodynamic, it's surely more aerodynamic (and stable, since all his joints would be locked in) than his robot mode.



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