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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#221 Boltax

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:54 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 27 2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, anyway, my Downeaster Metroplex aside, I morn with you. There was a time where really big toys could be new really big characters. Then there was a time where they would be the leaders, but the leaders didn't have to be Prime or Megatron. Now those days might be gone, I hope not for good...


You're talking about 1987, right? That's what you mean by 'there was a time', right? 1987? Yeah. It must be.

I certainly remember how in Generation 2 we got all these big toys who weren't Prime and Megatron! Wait... no we didn't. But Beast Wars, the biggest toys in Beast Wars weren't Primal and Megatron were they? Oh... except when they were... damn. We CONTINUE to get giant toys of non-Prime, non-Megatron characters nowadays, just like we got them before. And we continue to get a LOT of huge versions of the really popular characters like Prime and Megatron. Just like we have since POWERMASTER OPTIMUS PRIME.

Again, the only difference is the sheer VOLUME of toys we get nowadays.

--Andrew S.
(Seriously guys, just look at Dark of the Moon -- we got 3 Leader Class toys, and 1 Ultimate toy. Ironhide, Bumblebee, Sentinel Prime, and Optimus Prime. And that's just last year. Heck the biggest CYBERVERSE playset last year was the Ark, and it had a completely made-up new guy as its only pack-in figure!)

Edited by Boltax, 28 January 2012 - 06:58 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Jan 28 2012, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 27 2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, anyway, my Downeaster Metroplex aside, I morn with you. There was a time where really big toys could be new really big characters. Then there was a time where they would be the leaders, but the leaders didn't have to be Prime or Megatron. Now those days might be gone, I hope not for good...


You're talking about 1987, right? That's what you mean by 'there was a time', right? 1987? Yeah. It must be.


Yes. That IS exactly what I was talking about. And 1986 (Metro and Trypty) and, being generous with the definition of Citybot, 1985 (Omega Supreme). Is there a statute of limitations on nostalgia I'm forgetting? Just cause an era ended long ago doesn't mean ya can't mourn it's passing.

85 to 87 was the era of our classic G1 Citybots (or as you could also call it "the era of all our Citybots" ) and since this is the first time Hasbro has come back to the idea since 87 thats the obvious era to look to for compairison. Yes, things changed in the line/toy world in the years since. No it's not a new thing, but still a change that happened that this release makes me notice and regret.


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#223 Boltax

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 28 2012, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. That IS exactly what I was talking about. And 1986 (Metro and Trypty) and, being generous with the definition of Citybot, 1985 (Omega Supreme). Is there a statute of limitations on nostalgia I'm forgetting? Just cause an era ended long ago doesn't mean ya can't mourn it's passing.

85 to 87 was the era of our classic G1 Citybots (or as you could also call it "the era of all our Citybots" ) and since this is the first time Hasbro has come back to the idea since 87 thats the obvious era to look to for compairison. Yes, things changed in the line/toy world in the years since. No it's not a new thing, but still a change that happened that this release makes me notice and regret.


Okay, that's fine. Saying, "I want to compare this to these other four toys because it's the only other frame of reference I have" is actually pretty fine, if you ask me. It's inaccurate, sure, but it's fine. But what I was responding to was this:

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There was a time where really big toys could be new really big characters.


But, okay, fair enough. You're actually being nostalgic for the 'Citybots'. That's fine, really it is. And if your only complaint is, "He's not a new character" or, possibly, "He's not based on one of these 'classic' base-mode Transformers" that's fine too.

The thing I take issue with is the way people see false patterns. In Generation 1 Hasbro and Takara created, between them, a total of at LEAST 36 toys with 'base' modes, not including redecos. They tried different things all the time, from having modes that were literally just ramps, to having toys that could combine to create extensive cities. We had a toy with a freakin' Windmill mode in G1.

Hasbro shouldn't look back at G1 and think, "Fortress Maximus, that's the only city Transformer, we should try and replicate him." That's silly. In G1 the play patterns that resembled Cyberverse the closest were the Action Masters (literally half of which were RECYCLED characters) and the Micromasters. I feel like this new toy seems to have been based around that sort of play pattern, in which case it's looking good so far. From this tiny, blurry picture.

I get that people remember Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Metroplex and Trypticon -- but that excessively narrow view of your OWN HOBBY frustrates me. I feel like all you're doing is setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially when you're introduced to this toy with a name like, "OPTIMUS MAXIMUS."

Personally my guess is that we'll see this toy is packed with another figure. Possibly Bumblebee -- but my guess would be for an actual Optimus Prime toy -- similarly to the Cyberverse Action Sets. I would be seriously surprised if there wasn't some sort of explanation for this 'giant optimus', that explains WHY he's so huge, if only in the tech specs.

Complaints about character, and scale, seem so crazy to me at this point. Since we don't know the answers to EITHER of those questions.

--Andrew S.
(Here's the list of toys I could think of with some kind of base mode. Ready? Optimus Prime, Powermaster Optimus Prime, Action Master Optimus Prime, Star Convoy, Omega Supreme, Motormaster, Silverbolt, Onslaught, Hot Spot, Metroplex, Trypticon, Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Powermaster Megatron, Skyhopper, Skystalker, Countdown, Groundshaker, Ironworks, Erector, Greasepit, Airwave, Hot House, Grandus, Sky Garry, the 3 Micromaster Combiner TRansports, Battlefield Headquarters, Anti-Aircraft Base, Dai Atlus, Sonic Bomber, Roadfire, Axer's Turbo Cycle, The Stratotronic Jet and Overlord.
Rodimus Prime, Ratchet, Ironhide, Scattersot, and the original Megatron all get honourable mentions, too.)


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:35 PM

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I get that people remember Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Metroplex and Trypticon -- but that excessively narrow view of your OWN HOBBY frustrates me. I feel like all you're doing is setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially when you're introduced to this toy with a name like, "OPTIMUS MAXIMUS."


I fully agree with all of that.

In fact I think that we should be getting "NEW CHARACTERS". Especially like the AEC Universe.


But I think it's more that people are desperate to see an update.


I know i'd love a new G1ish styled Scorponok but thats because I thought his marvel and cartoon styled head was really cool...


But personally I'd rather Max and Scorpy get voyagers that turn into a battle station of some sort.


I mean, I liked the fact that they weren't technically really bases in the comics but instead were new leaders. I feel that making them bases in the oldschool context is redundant. Their popular leader characters in some fictions. They should be interactive battle tanks with some baselike features. I feel it's more appropiate.


But, you're right about the creating of false expectations. Thats what I was sort of grabbing at earlier when I mentioned if this toy came out during BW's fans would have been freaking out with excitement. At anything thats a g1ish Optimus.


And really we should kind of be a bit more past nostalgic longing by this point. Theres still room for classics style stuff. And even re-innovation of some classics toys that were already made. I feel it's fine for there to be a space for that.

But by this point the fandom should be more secure about not getting g1ish Homages. We should be going towards a direction of New as well.
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:37 PM

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OKay, so they say there are 8 (deluxe) Generations toys, 1 is WFC Jazz. So who would you want to see in the other 7 Deluxe molds?

I'd like to see:

2. WFC Starscream (in the future we can see many Seeker repaints)
3. WFC Ironhide (in the future can be repainted as Ratchet)
4. WFC Shockwave
5. Classic/WFC Arcee (a pink car!)
6. Classic Cosmos
7. Classic Gears (why not?)
8. Classic Blitzwing

Trailbreaker/Cutter?

Seems like a hole everyone wants to fill in their '84 collections.

Also a chance to remold/plan ahead for a Hoist.

I won't make any other suggestions because they'd just be Armada stuff. =P

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 27 2012, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OKay, so they say there are 8 (deluxe) Generations toys, 1 is WFC Jazz. So who would you want to see in the other 7 Deluxe molds?

I'd like to see:

2. WFC Starscream (in the future we can see many Seeker repaints)
3. WFC Ironhide (in the future can be repainted as Ratchet)
4. WFC Shockwave
5. Classic/WFC Arcee (a pink car!)
6. Classic Cosmos
7. Classic Gears (why not?)
8. Classic Blitzwing

Trailbreaker/Cutter?

Seems like a hole everyone wants to fill in their '84 collections.

Also a chance to remold/plan ahead for a Hoist.

I won't make any other suggestions because they'd just be Armada stuff. =P


We Know Jazz, and We are very likely to get Grimlock. I'd also be extremely surprised if we didn't get a new Optimus, with his big upgrade. Past that, I want WFC/FOC Ironhide/Ratchet, Trailcutter/Hoist, Gen Arcee, Autobot Triple changers, Shockwave, The other four Dinobots (I'd want Sludge to be a Voyager, as I doubt he'd be Ultra, even though he should be the biggest of the 5). Beyond that, I'd really like to see more late era G1 characters.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:20 PM

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There was a time where really big toys could be new really big characters.


But, okay, fair enough. You're actually being nostalgic for the 'Citybots'. That's fine, really it is. And if your only complaint is, "He's not a new character" or, possibly, "He's not based on one of these 'classic' base-mode Transformers" that's fine too.


Good. Didn't feel the need for outside approval, but cool your fine with it I guess.

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I get that people remember Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Metroplex and Trypticon -- but that excessively narrow view of your OWN HOBBY frustrates me. I feel like all you're doing is setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially when you're introduced to this toy with a name like, "OPTIMUS MAXIMUS."


You shouldn't let what other people want out of a hobby frustrate you. They have the right to like and want whatever they want.

Personally what I really want out of a base bot are either those four characters you list above OR a new character in their style. Not a giant Optimus with a base mode. I will not appologize for that. I do not think it is in anyway wrong or limited minded anymore than I think wanting Classics style toys over Movie style ones is.

Different folks like and want different things. That's life. If this toy does it for you, great. To me, it's better than nothing, but distinctly not what I really want.


-ZacWilliam, doesn't see wanting a particular type of toy to be revisited as anything negative in any way.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:06 PM

I think my views on it line up with the "there was a time" mindset, in that we're both bummed that such a time was then and this is now -- but firmly informed by the idea that whatever might have worked then will not necessarily work now. After all, the game is considerably different now, and so they have to take different steps. I'm reminded of the people who were cheesed that the upcoming Avengers Helicarrier was only going to be half thje size of the Flagg or less. It's 2012, man, things are different now.

Here, Hasbro has to hedge its bets by infusing an Optimus popularity-shot into the new big base-former they're trying [mind, with a name like Optimus Maximus, there wasn't much else the pictures could turn out to be]. This is after three base-vehicles [Ark, Star Hammer, Energon Driller], none of which have an Optimus Prime tied to it [the closest was Roller]. I'm just holding on to the idea that if this does well -- and they seem to be out to help it do that with the Optimus identity -- there'll be more, and those that aren't redecos of this same frame and headsculpt could be more along the lines of characters we were hoping for.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jan 29 2012, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here, Hasbro has to hedge its bets by infusing an Optimus popularity-shot into the new big base-former they're trying [mind, with a name like Optimus Maximus, there wasn't much else the pictures could turn out to be]. This is after three base-vehicles [Ark, Star Hammer, Energon Driller], none of which have an Optimus Prime tied to it [the closest was Roller]. I'm just holding on to the idea that if this does well -- and they seem to be out to help it do that with the Optimus identity -- there'll be more, and those that aren't redecos of this same frame and headsculpt could be more along the lines of characters we were hoping for.

Well, the Ark coming with Optimus Prime, and the base that is actually a giant robot being a different character, would make a lot more sense than the other way around.

And I don't see how a weird giant Optimus Prime would sell better than an actual huge character; particularly since the latter would probably be on the show (technically, Trypticon is already on the show, he's just always in vehicle mode and possibly "dead") while I'm assuming that Optimus Prime will not get rebuilt into a giant base on the show.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

It really is like PMOP, Star Convoy, and Armada Prime never happened.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:07 PM

I wonder how much a 3rd-party Classics-esque Metroplex would cost.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jan 29 2012, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here, Hasbro has to hedge its bets by infusing an Optimus popularity-shot into the new big base-former they're trying [mind, with a name like Optimus Maximus, there wasn't much else the pictures could turn out to be]. This is after three base-vehicles [Ark, Star Hammer, Energon Driller], none of which have an Optimus Prime tied to it [the closest was Roller]. I'm just holding on to the idea that if this does well -- and they seem to be out to help it do that with the Optimus identity -- there'll be more, and those that aren't redecos of this same frame and headsculpt could be more along the lines of characters we were hoping for.

Well, the Ark coming with Optimus Prime, and the base that is actually a giant robot being a different character, would make a lot more sense than the other way around.

And I don't see how a weird giant Optimus Prime would sell better than an actual huge character; particularly since the latter would probably be on the show (technically, Trypticon is already on the show, he's just always in vehicle mode and possibly "dead") while I'm assuming that Optimus Prime will not get rebuilt into a giant base on the show.


What would make the most sense to me is the Ark coming with SENTINEL Prime, but they didn't even do that. The big basebot being Optimus Prime is not what I would prefer [best compromise would have been a basebot WITH an Optimus pack-in], but it is certainly not beyond the pale. Especially when they out and named it Optimus Maximus.

An Optimus could potentially sell better just by being Optimus. Parents and kids might not be terribly aware of Trypticon, particularly in the circumstances you cite, and might be inclined to pick up Optimus Maximus as their Cyberverse leader. It's PMOP/Star Convoy etc for 2012 except without a necessarily binding in-story reason.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:21 PM

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What would make the most sense to me is the Ark coming with SENTINEL Prime, but they didn't even do that.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:23 PM

I'd prefer it if the ark was orange .. but at some point we learn that we can't get everything our way.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:44 PM

I'd buy an orange redeco, though, fer sure.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Jan 29 2012, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd prefer it if the ark was orange .. but at some point we learn that we can't get everything our way.

and the world is better for it.


Silver's more G1 accurate anyway!!

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#238 tec

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:01 AM

I thought about orangeing up my Ark

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#239 Mecheon

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:20 AM

Didn't Hasbro say they were totally going to do a gold redeco at some point? Gold, orange, close enough

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Jan 29 2012, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It really is like PMOP, Star Convoy, and Armada Prime never happened.


The key difference being those were all actually Optimus Prime, not an "Optimus Maximus" who looks exactly like an Optimus Prime but isn't because we already have one in the same line.

Maybe he has an interesting story but I highly doubt it.
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