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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#261 Spiritimus Prime

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:42 AM

^Right, my bad. icon-waspy.gif
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:37 PM

Aw damn. Just saw the Triage commercial.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 12:12 AM

No thread for the new episode yet? This happens a lot.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:25 AM

Sorry about that. It's up.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:27 AM

Triage promo.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ May 13 2012, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No thread for the new episode yet? This happens a lot.

The last few weeks yeah, but previously they'd always be up before the episode aired (chalk it up to my being too busy to start the thread).

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:17 PM

http://www.mtv.com/v...iage-clip.jhtml

Hey guys! It's the first thing Soundwave's done this season!


And the third thing he's done overall in the show.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 03:46 PM

Man, I hope someday I get to participate in some form of a TFPrime fandom where I don't have to have all its news given to me by some guy who snipes at it with every opportunity.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

Damn. I was hoping Soundwave would fight with Wheeljack's sword.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ May 17 2012, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys! It's the first thing Soundwave's done this season!


What about when he bridged Arcee...?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:30 PM

Soundwave has done way more than three things. Fwiffo is exaggerating.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ May 17 2012, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I hope someday I get to participate in some form of a TFPrime fandom where I don't have to have all its news given to me by some guy who snipes at it with every opportunity.


You know I'm not on staff anymore, right?

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#273 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:41 PM

QUOTE(abates @ May 17 2012, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave has done way more than three things. Fwiffo is exaggerating.


I'm struggling to think of more than 5. He hijacked the radio-dishes and harassed the kids, he followed Starscream to Megatron's corpse, he stopped Starscream from killing Megatron by glaring at him, he beat up Airachnid and he bridged Arcee (which I had admitidly forgotten).

The dude is the coolest thing in the show and he is criminally underused. He doesn't even have the cost of a Voice Actor to excuse his lack of screentime. As far as I'm concerned, he should be in every episode, looking over the shoulder of any Decepticon who is ever grumbling about his job.

But I am looking forward to seeing him hand Wheeljack's skidplate to him.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:43 PM

But his entire character is to stand in the background and do nothing until it's necessary, observing and gathering info for later. If he did more, he wouldn't be the interesting character we think he is.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:47 PM

Yeah. Less is more in this case.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ May 17 2012, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But his entire character is to stand in the background and do nothing until it's necessary, observing and gathering info for later. If he did more, he wouldn't be the interesting character we think he is.


Well, could he stand in the background more?

Like, to pick an example, remember when Starscream gave an epic speech to himself until Knockout dropped in, and they started plotting in Out of His Head Part 2?

After their done, have Soundwave step out of the shadows, or cut to him watching on a monitor, something like that. That's all I'm asking for. Soundwave is supposed to see and hear everything that goes on in the Decepticon empire, and I'd like to actually see that, rather than have Megatron go 'Oh and BTW, Soundwave was totally listening that one time'.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:52 PM

Don't we naturally assume he is anyway?

I know Jack, Miko, and Raf use the bathroom. I don't need a cutaway SHOWING them.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ May 17 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't we naturally assume he is anyway?

I know Jack, Miko, and Raf use the bathroom. I don't need a cutaway SHOWING them.


But that isn't important to the plot or character. Soundwave knowing stuff is (or at least, should be).

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:27 PM

He's Soundwave doing what Soundwave's always done since G1. I'm not sure what's so bad about that.

(Well, except Animated where he was more 'textbook supervillain with an army'.)
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:58 PM

Fwiffo just gets a bee in the bonnet about TF: Prime.

It's a love/hate thing. To each their own.

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