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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

This thread will host Transformers: Prime Season 2 official information, episode titles, descriptions, air dates, preview clips and images, commercials, ect. Spoilers may be found in this thread - read at your own risk!

Season 2

Episode 1: Orion Pax Part 1 - 2/18/2012
Megatron manipulates the impaired Optimus into joining the Decepticons.

Orion Pax Part 1 Trailer

Episode 2: Orion Pax Part 2 - 2/25/2012
Jack learns how to restore Optimus' memory.

Orion Pax Part 2 Preview Clip

Episode 3: Orion Pax Part 3 - 3/3/2012
Optimus rebels against Megatron; Autobots try to get their leader back.

Episode 4: Operation Bumblebee Part 1 - 3/10/2012
Bumblebee questions his worthiness to his team after he is compromised.

Operation Bumblebee Preview Clip!

Episode 5: Operation Bumblebee Part 2 - 3/17/2012
Bumblebee discovers that MECH and Starscream are responsible for his troubles; Ratchet confronts demons from his Cybertronian past.
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Episode 6: Loose Cannons - 3/24/2012
A legendary Autobot returns to Earth to look for a new Decepticon, but Optimus finds that something is not right with the rogue Bot.
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Episode 7: Crossfire - 3/31/2012
Arachnid and Starscream struggle to control an Insecticon warrior.

Episode 8: Nemesis Prime - 4/7/2012
Optimus Prime becomes destructive while MECH reveals their master plan.
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Episode 9: Grill - 4/14/2012
Agent Fowler has some explaining to do under the threat of military tribunal and Team Prime's termination.

Episode 10: Armada - 4/21/2012
Bulkhead is trapped on the Decepticon Warship and amid dual tries on Megatron's life.

Episode 11: Flying Mind - 4/28/2012
The Decepticon Warship threatens humanity and Raf, Jack and Miko are the only ones who can stop it. New!

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:29 PM

At least we know Prime's memory will be a several episode arc now. I really hope he never gets them back - it would make him a very compelling character (and would completely redeem his dullness in Season 1).

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 05:03 PM

I am interested to see just how much "Dull epic Prime" was direction and how much was Cullen.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:23 PM


Cullen emoted well enough in the movies. It must have been due to the voice director on TFP.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 07:28 PM

New trailer for the season two premiere!

http://geek-news.mtv...part-1-trailer/

Ignore the January 28th air date. Pretty sure that's a mistake, especially seeing as how the trailer itself still says February 18th.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:00 PM

Good find Sockie!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:15 PM

I'm real glad to see Starscream back so quickly, but the trailer was mostly just generic-looking Prime action. I'm hoping there's a lot more emotion in this beginning of S2.

Although - was that Jack and Arcee on Cybertron?

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE(Sockie @ Jan 26 2012, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
New trailer for the season two premiere!

http://geek-news.mtv...part-1-trailer/

Cullen sounds way more natural in those two lines than he ever did in season 1. I hope it's a good omen for his Orion performance in general.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Jackpot @ Jan 26 2012, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cullen sounds way more natural in those two lines than he ever did in season 1. I hope it's a good omen for his Orion performance in general.


Me too. Ratchet did say that Orion Pax was a lot like Jack before he became Prime, so now that Matrix is gone, hopefully it took the stick that was rammed up Optimus's backside with it.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:24 AM

Probably like the 5-parter of Season 1, they will strech the story of Jack plugging the flashdrive.... erm, Key to Vector Sigma back to Optimus and restoring his memory to at least 3 episodes - filling the blanks with action scenes.

And man, I'd really like to see an explanation about where Megatron gets his Vehicons. At the rate these guys die in battle (and we KNOW they are living, sentient transformers) he must have like thousands on the Nemesis.

I also hope we see Dreadwing appear in the first episodes.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:54 AM

Episode 2: Orion Pax Part 2 - 2/25/2012
Jack learns how to restore Optimus' memory.

Huh. Oh well, guess it'll be back to movie trailer Prime at the end of part 3.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:07 AM

Hopefully Jack doesn't.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:59 AM

QUOTE(abates @ Jan 31 2012, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Episode 2: Orion Pax Part 2 - 2/25/2012
Jack learns how to restore Optimus' memory.

Huh. Oh well, guess it'll be back to movie trailer Prime at the end of part 3.



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Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:21 AM

Hooray!

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE(abates @ Jan 31 2012, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Episode 2: Orion Pax Part 2 - 2/25/2012
Jack learns how to restore Optimus' memory.


We knew it was coming. I still hope that "memory" isn't synonymous with "inability to chill the hug out and act natural."

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:49 AM

Maybe the upload will be interrupted and we'll get an Orion Pax with the memories of Optimus Prime but without actually feeling those are his own memories? That'd be interesting - Him not wanting to accept his role.

Hope Dreadwing debuts soon, as well. We now also know Skywarp is coming, as the creators explicitely said if they introduce more seekers, they won't be clones of/same body type as Starscream.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 1 2012, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We now also know Skywarp is coming, as the creators explicitely said if they introduce more seekers, they won't be clones of/same body type as Starscream.


Eh? We do? If you're using the the Takara toy as evidence of this, it IS just a repaint of Starscream. So combined with the staff's comments about Seekers, I don't think that's necessarily proof that Skywarp will appear on the show.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:47 AM

Episode 3: Orion Pax Part 3 - 3/3/2012
Optimus rebels against Megatron; Autobots try to get their leader back.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:27 AM


Oh well, it was clever while it lasted.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:50 PM

Hah, 3 episodes. Boy did I nail that call back when it happened.

I, however, maintain hope that he won't get his memory back, and the plot for the season is him struggling with that.

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