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@  Blues : (27 September 2016 - 05:08 PM)

I LOVE BOT MASTER SO MUCH. Too bad the toys sucked. I even own jungle fiver. I love him so much, but he can barely stand on his own.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 September 2016 - 05:03 PM)

That's the 90s.

@  MEDdMI : (27 September 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Ninjzz? That's an unfortunate name.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)

Also I thought Fico Ossio was quite nice on Revolutions.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 04:36 PM)

You know the planet is in a jam, a diabolical plan of only one man. Louis Leon Paradim an international punk, and his army of 3As are his piece of junk.

@  Telly : (27 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

for the longest time i thought jungle fiver was called jungle fiBer

@  Bass X0 : (27 September 2016 - 04:21 PM)

Does anybody remember the cartoon Bots Master? I enjoyed the show but looking back on it, most of the robot designs were lame. The only cool designs were Jungle Fiver and Ninjzz although the toys were nothing compared to Transformers of course. I thought the main human characters were decent enough for a show about robots. 

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:43 PM)

Although this is odd to me, since I'm fairly sure they are/were good friends.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:42 PM)

Yeah I stopped liking the guy when I found his Twitter.

@  zephyrX9 : (27 September 2016 - 12:35 PM)

https://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/779870732935233536 link

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2016 - 09:16 AM)

I cut out the middleman and assume that they're all jerks and/or shills.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 07:15 AM)

Social media is the worst thing to happen to fandom, you can now see people whose work you like being jerks or shills on a daily basis, which is worse than a bad interview or two.

@  Robowang : (27 September 2016 - 07:12 AM)

Dirty Jerk Warts?

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:05 AM)

Also, I guess he hates IDW Soundwave for not being an emotionless brick like the cartoon version? Man. Any enjoyment of Animated in future is going to be tainted for me by the fact that DJW is the worst kind of boring Geewunner.

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:04 AM)

He also hates Action Man for no apparent reason other than "I don't know who this is and I don't care to find out". Which isn't fair, because Ian is the best character in IDW.

@  Jalaguy : (27 September 2016 - 06:47 AM)

DJW was mouthing off about the art for Revolution the other day too, doesn't entirely surprise.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 05:11 AM)

Do you have a link, zephyr?

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh!!

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh bweh

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 10:11 PM)

Sipher's.

@  Telly : (26 September 2016 - 10:08 PM)

*has flashbacks of the "image wars"*

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

Sakamoto or Sipher's art?

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 September 2016 - 08:17 PM)

Oof.

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 08:05 PM)

Sipher made a sarcastic remark about Sakamoto's skeeviness. Derrick called him an a**hole, and insulted his art, which was a low, unnecessary blow.

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 07:43 PM)

What did Derrick do?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:42 PM)

That makes sense, thank you.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 07:30 PM)

Derrick J. Wyatt?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:21 PM)

Djw?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 05:45 PM)

wow, didn't expect to have to block djw on twitter

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 02:48 PM)

Yeah, it was really sad that they didn't survive in any of the endings. Eaten by Unicron every time.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I wish I could have seen Kick Axe live.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 September 2016 - 10:14 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk WWE Raw is on tonight. By the third hour, it'll probably feel the same, minus the actual physical trauma.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 09:51 AM)

I think I'd rather punch myself in the nuts.

@  Dracula : (26 September 2016 - 09:34 AM)

I think I'll watch Godzilla versus Gigan instead

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 09:32 AM)

Hillary versus Trump tonight. Oh boy.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 06:53 AM)

I think I'm just too used to metal to not understand the lyrics.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 06:02 AM)

it's a vile interruption, chess the scripture way

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 03:49 AM)

I've had versions where the issue doesn't come up (or at least doesn't come up in the part I notice the most), but the version that got remastered for Bluray and DVD releases have it.

@  Nevermore : (26 September 2016 - 02:05 AM)

I initially misheard "flying tools of torment" as "we're flyin' into some torment".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2016 - 01:08 AM)

If it's a problem with all released versions, maybe the original audio source was itself damaged?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

I wish they'd relase a remastered version that fixed the audio and included at least had an option to have the text crawl rather than the credits at the start.

@  Telly : (25 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

tryin to buy the movie from amazon for $20-ish. the price of it has been fluctuating like crazy. not a day has gone by that it hasnt dropped to one price and then gone back up a few hours later. never seen a price fluctuate so much

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:57 PM)

Then again, a lot of versions of the movie had pretty bad sound quality, even the most recent blu-rays mess it up in places, so it's not as much our fault if we misheard stuff.

@  Arazyr : (25 September 2016 - 07:28 PM)

When I first heard it, half of it may as well have been in a foreign language, for all I could make out. (Of course, I can say that about most music...)

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:14 PM)

I can't remember entirely, and I can't "hear" anything but the actual lyrics now, but I remember "I am born to hurt you, I'll break the boundless sky" as how my brain parsed the first words.

@  Nevermore : (25 September 2016 - 07:01 PM)

So what did you hear?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 06:39 PM)

I almost completely misinterpreted the lyrics for that song for ages, and when I did find out what they were I thought my idea of the lyrics was better.

@  Nevermore : (25 September 2016 - 06:29 PM)

So apparently the 2016 remake of "Instruments of Destruction" is out. I'm still waiting for an Amazon download to become available, but the clips I heard thus far sound cool. They're using the uncensored lyrics!

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2016 - 03:02 PM)

:(

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 September 2016 - 08:25 AM)

Sorry bebbeh, I'm taken.


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#321 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classics Sideswipe looks far more like a Lamborghini then say Defender looks like Springer.

At least to my eyes.

But it's not an actual car (Walky's point).

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:36 PM

How does that factor in with something(s) like Springer that doesn't exist?

Both are still supposed to be "evocative" of something but without crossing the line enough to be sued.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does that factor in with something(s) like Springer that doesn't exist?

I'm not sure I understand the question. Springer exists... There have been a few different Springer toys by now, in fact.



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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classics Sideswipe looks far more like a Lamborghini then say Defender looks like Springer.

At least to my eyes.


Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common. Now, Hercules, on the other hand...

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common.


I dunno, that's a lot of things to get past.

Especially with how Transformer aesthetics change from medium to medium, color, alt mode, and faces are pretty much the main things by which to identify character design.
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#326 MrBlud

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

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I'm not sure I understand the question. Springer exists... There have been a few different Springer toys by now, in fact.


Which Defender doesn't match all that closely.

I was just contrasting *that* to Sideswipe not being a stock Lamborghini.

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Now, Hercules, on the other hand...


Well yes, him and Giant are rather blatant.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 11 2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be a better comparison to third party product if Hasbro were selling actual cars that looked like Porsches or Lamborghinis.

I think this VERY BIG POINT needs to be repeated.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Apr 12 2012, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 11 2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be a better comparison to third party product if Hasbro were selling actual cars that looked like Porsches or Lamborghinis.

I think this VERY BIG POINT needs to be repeated.

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So you're saying Lamborghini don't licence their car likenesses for models, and any toy as much in the likeness of a Lamborghini as (say) Warbot resembles Springer's animation model doesn't infringe those rights?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Apr 11 2012, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common.


I dunno, that's a lot of things to get past.

Especially with how Transformer aesthetics change from medium to medium, color, alt mode, and faces are pretty much the main things by which to identify character design.

Yeah, but choice of alt mode is just an idea, not concrete enough to be protected by Copyright. And Transformers heads are so similar and derivative anyway, minor alterations are enough to distinguish them from one another. Like, if I put Defender's head on a totally random robot body, would you say, "That's Spinger's head!", assuming you had never heard of or seen Defender?

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#330 Might Gaine

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:50 PM

Car designs are different. They're protected by design patents, not Copyright. Things with utility like cars, TVs, washing machines, etc. do not get as much protection as things that are purely entertainment, like stories, characters, art, music, etc.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most third party TF products infringe Copyright, because they look like and are intended to be substitutes for Hasbro's Transformers characters. There's a reason companies don't go around making toys that look suspiciously like Mickey Mouse. Similarly, you can't just go around making toys that look suspiciously like Devastator, Ultra Magnus, etc.

What you can argue is that they're more of an "homage" than an outright use/theft of the character, but in my opinion, only a very small number of third party products fall into that category.

So, yes, they are by and large illegal.

Even the "homage" argument can fail, right? I mean, the people who made the Hercules combiner clearly intended for buyers to pretend that it is Devastator, and not just something that looks suspiciously alike.

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