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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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#221 Walky

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:28 AM

And it's not like Artist Alley has a long, storied history at FP's BotCon. FP only created an Artist Alley exhibitor package last year. Before that you had to pay full dealer price, which was prohibitively expensive for folks like me to bother with.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

Slippery Slope?
What if I can't sell custom painted figures? Retail bought toys, opened and repainted and resold. The difference between this and the tons of opened figures on sale at other tables and booths is the paint.
Another table migh sell you a DotM Voyager Megs opened for $12 but I'll sell the exact same toy as the exact same character all painted up for $60. Where is the problem?
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

I think you need to ask someone who knows the answer to whether customized toys are passable. I'm pretty sure none of us do.

EDIT: Which is kind of a failing of the dealer guidelines that started this thread. They're incredibly vague and unhelpful.

Edited by Code of Walky, 05 April 2012 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:16 AM

I'm just throwing around hypotheticals until an answer is put forth by FunPub.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

Have you considered asking them directly?


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:49 AM

Really, guys, you act as if you've never asked hypothetical questions before. I've asked and I'm waiting as they don't have a real answer at the moment.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Apr 5 2012, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you considered asking them directly?


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I suspect that if asked directly, and an answer were given, that answer would have to be "no, you can't".

The policy is basically "no unofficial anything". The vagueness is probably intentional. The intent is obviously to keep mass-produced TF-related 3P stuff out of the con. FP probably doesn't want the traditional fanstuff swept up in this, because they want their convention to be cool. A convention without Willis selling Dinobot posters or Cheets selling custom figures (I thought you weren't going, CP?) would be measurably less cool. Perhaps not 20%, but measurably.

Unfortunately, the policy probably has to cover that, too, so FP's only recourse is to delay answering any questions, or answer as vaguely as possible, until the convention gets here.

Once the con gets here, no problem. I'm almost willing to bet that if Willis took a ream of Dinobot posters with him, the People in Charge would manage to mysteriously miss his table until they were all sold. Willing to bet $200? Don't know, but I guess it depends on what the going rate is for a Dinobot poster.




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Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(Autobus Prime @ Apr 5 2012, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The policy is basically "no unofficial anything". The vagueness is probably intentional. The intent is obviously to keep mass-produced TF-related 3P stuff out of the con. FP probably doesn't want the traditional fanstuff swept up in this, because they want their convention to be cool. A convention without Willis selling Dinobot posters or Cheets selling custom figures (I thought you weren't going, CP?) would be measurably less cool. Perhaps not 20%, but measurably.

Unfortunately, the policy probably has to cover that, too, so FP's only recourse is to delay answering any questions, or answer as vaguely as possible, until the convention gets here.

Once the con gets here, no problem. I'm almost willing to bet that if Willis took a ream of Dinobot posters with him, the People in Charge would manage to mysteriously miss his table until they were all sold. Willing to bet $200? Don't know, but I guess it depends on what the going rate is for a Dinobot poster.


The BotCon Twitter said that artists that work for Hasbro licensees are permitted to sell stuff. I am one of those people. I've been told I'm fine.

Even so, if Puggleformers fall under "parody" and are thus safe, I would think a Obama-spoofing Dinobot poster would too. I'd probably be fine regardless.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 5 2012, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Autobus Prime @ Apr 5 2012, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The policy is basically "no unofficial anything". The vagueness is probably intentional. The intent is obviously to keep mass-produced TF-related 3P stuff out of the con. FP probably doesn't want the traditional fanstuff swept up in this, because they want their convention to be cool. A convention without Willis selling Dinobot posters or Cheets selling custom figures (I thought you weren't going, CP?) would be measurably less cool. Perhaps not 20%, but measurably.

Unfortunately, the policy probably has to cover that, too, so FP's only recourse is to delay answering any questions, or answer as vaguely as possible, until the convention gets here.

Once the con gets here, no problem. I'm almost willing to bet that if Willis took a ream of Dinobot posters with him, the People in Charge would manage to mysteriously miss his table until they were all sold. Willing to bet $200? Don't know, but I guess it depends on what the going rate is for a Dinobot poster.


The BotCon Twitter said that artists that work for Hasbro licensees are permitted to sell stuff. I am one of those people. I've been told I'm fine.

Even so, if Puggleformers fall under "parody" and are thus safe, I would think a Obama-spoofing Dinobot poster would too. I'd probably be fine regardless.


...does this mean no Warbot Defender artwork?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:33 PM

This just popped up on Twitter:
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Due to fan outcry, Hasbro has changed their position on the Artist Alley and ban on fan art. Please retweet for great justice.


You'll pardon my skepticism until I hear about it from more than just Twitter.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

Supposedly this information was emailed to a TFW staff member within the last hour.

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More info - Link.

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We're pleased to announce, per Hasbro, that artist tables will be allowed at BotCon 2012 as we have allowed it in the past, and will be permissible as part of the show. Hasbro sympathizes and understands fans' discouragement with the previous statements concerning fan art, and while remaining steadfast in the right to protect its IP in regards to unlicensed merchandise, wants to ensure fans can continue to enjoy the BotCon experience which they know is made so great in large part by the fan community.

Edited by crazyjaco, 05 April 2012 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:59 PM


Wasn't expecting that at theis point, but Yay.

Good for them. icon-hotrod.gif


-ZacWilliam, no one involved wants to make the Con less fun for the fans, and it's nice to see that taken in to consideration in a "comon sense" sort of manner.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

That's pretty sweet.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:55 PM

....untill someone tries to sell "Transformable Warbot Defender Statuettes" as "Art".
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:04 PM

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....untill someone tries to sell "Transformable Warbot Defender Statuettes" as "Art".


Hasbro reps may see past that ruse.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:29 PM

Hey! Awesome! Thanks Hasbro icon-ironhide.gif

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 5 2012, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Dessl0ck @ Apr 5 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....untill someone tries to sell "Transformable Warbot Defender Statuettes" as "Art".


Hasbro reps may see past that ruse.


The heck you say!

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 5 2012, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 5 2012, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Dessl0ck @ Apr 5 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....untill someone tries to sell "Transformable Warbot Defender Statuettes" as "Art".


Hasbro reps may see past that ruse.


The heck you say!

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Oh, I am sure they would and will. However I also have just enough faith in the average jackhole to think he is clever enough to skirt the rules and get away with it, claiming "but the rules say..."
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 5 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's pretty sweet.


Yes it is! Nice to be wrong, sometimes. icon-hotrod.gif

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 5 2012, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, no one involved wants to make the Con less fun for the fans, and it's nice to see that taken in to consideration in a "comon sense" sort of manner.


Or less profitable for the people renting tables, and no doubt that crossed a few minds, as well. icon-fire.gif




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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:13 AM

We are now only banning art some fans find objectionable, so, there will be no Walky art at BotCon...
















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