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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Jeremy

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:18 AM

So I get a message in my "other" messages on Facebook the other day, which means someone not on my friends list, from this guy:

https://www.facebook.com/loveforht

Don't know him from a load of coal since he lives in Vietnam of all places, but he's messaged me basically saying "Hey Jeremy, here's your home address information, please confirm". I ask what's going on and what this is in regards to, and he pulls out even MORE information. Cell phone number, debit card number except for the last two digits (XX), card expiration date, card security number. When I ask him what's going on and where he got the information, he proceeds to tell me he's trying to figure out the reason my information was published online I guess, and keeps insisting I need to check my records for transaction with an online shopping website for 4/27/2011. When I say I don't really use my debit card for shopping online much, he keeps pursuing the April thing repeatedly, expanding the date parameters.

I've called and deactivated my debit card by this point, the lady on the phone did say there might be a suspicious charge attempt for Google, since I don't use that for anything finance-related. I keep pressing the guy about who he is, and why this is any of his business. He keeps pressing for wanting to know about any shopping done in my April records, which really only include some Paypal deposits into my account, and one with Fun Publications/transformersclub.com. That one was listed as charged on the 29th in my online account records, but the actual transaction could have happened on the 27th for all I know.

He still fails to tell me what's going on, or why he's so interested, so I told him thanks for the heads up on the card security issue but that we're done as far as I'm concerned. I kind of feel like I need to report this to Facebook, the authorities, or both, but I'm not sure how to go about that at all. Figured there's a pretty big experience pool here at the Allspark, so wanted to see what people think.

I've gone ahead and contacted Fun Pub about this.

Edited by Jeremy, 16 January 2012 - 11:27 AM.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 02:04 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 16 2012, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I get a message in my "other" messages on Facebook the other day, which means someone not on my friends list, from this guy:

https://www.facebook.com/loveforht

Don't know him from a load of coal since he lives in Vietnam of all places, but he's messaged me basically saying "Hey Jeremy, here's your home address information, please confirm". I ask what's going on and what this is in regards to, and he pulls out even MORE information. Cell phone number, debit card number except for the last two digits (XX), card expiration date, card security number. When I ask him what's going on and where he got the information, he proceeds to tell me he's trying to figure out the reason my information was published online I guess, and keeps insisting I need to check my records for transaction with an online shopping website for 4/27/2011. When I say I don't really use my debit card for shopping online much, he keeps pursuing the April thing repeatedly, expanding the date parameters.

I've called and deactivated my debit card by this point, the lady on the phone did say there might be a suspicious charge attempt for Google, since I don't use that for anything finance-related. I keep pressing the guy about who he is, and why this is any of his business. He keeps pressing for wanting to know about any shopping done in my April records, which really only include some Paypal deposits into my account, and one with Fun Publications/transformersclub.com. That one was listed as charged on the 29th in my online account records, but the actual transaction could have happened on the 27th for all I know.

He still fails to tell me what's going on, or why he's so interested, so I told him thanks for the heads up on the card security issue but that we're done as far as I'm concerned. I kind of feel like I need to report this to Facebook, the authorities, or both, but I'm not sure how to go about that at all. Figured there's a pretty big experience pool here at the Allspark, so wanted to see what people think.

I've gone ahead and contacted Fun Pub about this.


Talk to your card company's fraud department. They should handle it from there.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 02:14 PM

Do you have identity theft insurance? Reading this makes me think I should get some.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:31 PM

No identity theft insurance. When I call about getting my replacement debit card, I'm going to ask them if there are any steps that they're going to take.

I'm really pretty convinced it was the Transformers Club website to blame now, because there just aren't a lot of other candidates around that time, and I think they have all my information in their system as it was presented to me by the mysterious man from Vietnam. I mainly only shop with BBTS online, and that's my credit card, not my debit card. Paypal is about all I use otherwise.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:08 PM

When was your last transaction at the club site? That has me concerned as well.

I'm glad that thus far your bank account seems not to have taken a hit. A very odd and unnerving situation.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:38 PM

The bank will be able to pull up more details on your POS transactions for those dates. I'd contact them.
Also, I believe credit cards are much better protected against fraud than debit cards when it comes to claiming back funds.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 16 2012, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No identity theft insurance. When I call about getting my replacement debit card, I'm going to ask them if there are any steps that they're going to take.

I'm really pretty convinced it was the Transformers Club website to blame now, because there just aren't a lot of other candidates around that time, and I think they have all my information in their system as it was presented to me by the mysterious man from Vietnam. I mainly only shop with BBTS online, and that's my credit card, not my debit card. Paypal is about all I use otherwise.



Very well may be. I had a VERY sophisticated phishing attempt made on me the day after my registration. Had someone call up, claiming to be Bank of America's fraud department. They attempted to get information from me regarding account number. They made the mistake of asking for expiration date and the CVV. Cue skidding brakes/record needle scratch noise. I told them I had forgotten and didn't have the card with me, at which point they attempted to get information about 'other' accounts. They said that they were going to close the account and issue a replacement card.

I called Bank of America directly and discussed it with them -- the 800 number wasn't on their records anywhere for their fraud department OR for FIA card services, which issue the card. He said that vendors would often cancel blocks of cards if they believe their information has been compromised, and the credit card companies would reissue cards. So the most likely scenario was that info was intercepted, and then the folks that got a hold of the credit card info were trying to capitalize on it by CALLING the people whose info they had stolen in an attempt to get more (enough) info to be able to make actual fraudulent charges before the vendor contacted the card company. On top of that, they add a mock fraudulent charge to the list, which the target can't verify online since the actual bank has halted the account.

And guess what? THEY can pull up details of transactions too! So they come off as legit because they have info that most people wouldn't expect anyone except the card company to know. They know enough about how the vendors and credit cards interact with each other to be able to bluff their way through conversations with the victim, presenting themselves as authorities, and can 'assure' them that they will cancel the card and reissue one -- which the bank was already doing on its own!

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 16 2012, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When was your last transaction at the club site? That has me concerned as well.

I'm glad that thus far your bank account seems not to have taken a hit. A very odd and unnerving situation.


I imagine it's only been Botcon registration recently, and then that transaction toward the end of April of 2011. I don't really buy other items from the club store except for renewing membership, club exclusives, and Botcon.

For what it's worth, Angie from Fun Pub emailed me back and said she's transferred the information to the appropriate parties. I hate to accuse them, but they're the most likely candidate, and we all know they might not be the most secure website out there. icon-wildride.gif
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:35 PM

Ugh, yeah.

In future, unless FunPub improves the site, I think I'll stick to purchasing VISA gift cards and such for transactions with them.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:47 PM

Wasn't there a situation a while back where some site was showing other people's info who tried to log in there?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:56 PM

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Wasn't there a situation a while back where some site was showing other people's info who tried to log in there?


Yep...if I'm not mistaken, it was the Club Store during the SDCC Alternators Nemesis Prime fiasco.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:09 PM

That's what I thought but I didn't want to say because I wasn't sure. I remember being worried something like this could happen.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:37 PM

So I'm pretty well convinced that it's the Transformers Club website, the fact the guy had my cell phone number is kind of a dead giveaway because that's in my information on the club site at checkout. Do you guys think he was trying to get me to name a specific website for some sinister reason, like maybe finding out a good place that would be easy pickings to dig for further personal information? I specifically made sure not to give him anything, not knowing him from a load of coal, and the way he pursued getting me to give him any scrap of information from my records was a big red flag for me.

I need to renew my club membership, too. Not really dying to plug my credit card number in there, or my new debit card when I get it. :-\

Edited by Jeremy, 16 January 2012 - 09:44 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:49 PM

Hrm.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:29 AM

If you want to renew, I'd go with Corvus' suggestion and use a prepaid card of some sort.

If it were me, I'd refuse to do any further business with the club and let them know specifically why.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 05:32 AM

Unless the guy was trying to extort money from you, or didn't HAVE those last two digits (unlikely, but who knows), it seems to me this guy really did you a huge favour.

Generally, malicious users don't WANT you to know they have your details. The longer you don't know, the better.

In fact, if what he told you was accurate, it's too late for you to do anything about a charge from April of last year, with most credit providers. So it's all a bit weird, and I honestly think he may have been doing you a favour.

And really, how DO you tell a stranger you know all their credit card details? It's gonna seem creepy however you say it.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:10 AM

Well, the guy also refused to really give me any context for what was going on, or who he was, though I acknowledge he could have faked it and said anything he wanted. Pretty much why at the end, after he kept pursuing his desire for information on what websites I'd bought from, I said thanks for the heads up, but we're done here.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:03 PM

Well this is pretty scary as I just rejoined the club last month using my credit card. I've already had my info stolen once and had to deal with $1500 in charges already...I'd rather not hafta go through that garbage again. Guess I need to check my cc balance every day to keep an eye on it.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:06 PM

every month, i go through and itemize everything on my credit card. I also make all purchases either on my credit card or with cash, never my debit card. It's easier to fix problems with credit than to try to get your own money back once it's withdrawn.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:06 PM

Wow - this is pretty crazy. I think I joined the club in late March last year. I only remember I wanted to wait until after the cutoff for the Sideburn because I didn't want another Hot Rod mold. And then I purchased the Cheetor and Ramjet.

edit - paid with my credit card (on April 28th...) so hopefully if anything squirrelly pops up now it will be covered.

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