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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 07:36 AM

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Here's the Anakin remold of the Class I Y-Wing mold that TFW reported on a few days back. The rereleased brown Droid tank and Darth Maul are on there, too, and there's also a Obi-Wan remold of the Class I Actis Jedi Starfighter (maroon colors, not blue).

Edited by Octavius Prime, 15 January 2012 - 07:38 AM.


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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:03 AM

There's also a retool of Obi-Wan's Starfighter into Anakin that isn't listed with the Transformers.

http://www.hasbrotoy...e...;ST=SO&PG=4

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:08 AM

Ah, cool. I hadn't seen that one. I may actually pick that one up (I don't much like the colors on the other two versions of the mold).

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:40 AM

Like the new head molds on the Class I toys.
But hope they do some new vehicles next.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE(Meister79 @ Jan 15 2012, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like the new head molds on the Class I toys.
But hope they do some new vehicles next.


I'm still wondering where that Darth Maul from Toy Fair 2011 is. He was the one that initially got me interested in this size class, but we've seen nothing of him since then.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:15 PM

Yeah, I forgot about that one. Maybe he'll be in the next wave.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:34 PM

These are already on the shelfs in the UK as I picked up that Obi Wan the other day. Fantastic Headsculpt (I get a Junkion vibe) but terrible legs and transformation. Just cant seem to stop his arms from popping off. I hope this new size class continues and improves though as they are quite fun for their size.

Who were the original releases? Im guessing that Anakin and Obi Wan have swapped molds, but who originally transformed into the Y-Wing?

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE(Deuce @ Jan 15 2012, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These are already on the shelfs in the UK as I picked up that Obi Wan the other day. Fantastic Headsculpt (I get a Junkion vibe) but terrible legs and transformation. Just cant seem to stop his arms from popping off. I hope this new size class continues and improves though as they are quite fun for their size.

Who were the original releases? Im guessing that Anakin and Obi Wan have swapped molds, but who originally transformed into the Y-Wing?


A Clone Trooper.

And yeah the Ep 3 Jedi Fighter is pretty terrible. The Ep 2 Starfighter is cool though.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 02:24 PM

I got the Vader version of the Actis mold back in October, and while it's nowhere near as good as the Y-Wing, it's still decently fun and has a great deco, and it's certainly has a better use of kibble than the older, larger Actis mold. However, if anyone just has to have Anakin as himself, I'd recommend getting this new Y-Wing version, as that's a great little mold (also, for anyone unfamiliar with it, don't forget that the HTS pics of the Anakin version are mistransformed - the Y-wings nose gun section split to form a skirt of sorts and allow his hips to move fully forward). However, that Aethersprite remold looks pretty good too, though it seems to use the same head mold as the Actis version.

Edited by Octavius Prime, 15 January 2012 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:46 AM

The "Crossovers" banner is absent from the packaging. Will there be no more Marvel TFs?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:21 AM

I saw these at my local Walmart a couple of hours ago.



Question, the pictures of Y-Wing Anakin don't show his elbows very well. But, how is this mold's arm articulation?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:08 AM

QUOTE(Obsidian @ Jan 16 2012, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw these at my local Walmart a couple of hours ago.



Question, the pictures of Y-Wing Anakin don't show his elbows very well. But, how is this mold's arm articulation?


It's ok. if you keep the arm straight, the elbow forward movement is limited to about a 140 degree or so angle. However, his forearms also bend inward at the elbow, making for a good two-handed rifle carrying pose for the clone version. The shoulders are somewhat limited ball joints.

And Hardbot, we've not seen any news on more Marvel TFs in over a year (unfortunately), and there were some toys that never got released, like the Punisher, blue Human Torch, the new-molds Iron Man/War Machine combiner 2-pack, etc. I believe the last new marvel TFs was the obscure glow-in-the-dark Iron Man wave that only seemed to show up at Ross and whatnot (I saw the War Machine repaint of the car IM mold there last summer).

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:33 AM

Still need a few Y-wing Clone trooper basics and the Green Jedi Starfighter. I rather like the Obi-Wan from Wave 1.

They're perfect for making Cyberverse Cybertronians.
Legends class figure when? REAL SOON!!

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:54 AM

Just got these.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:07 AM

I saw the small Obi-Wan the other week... couldn't believe how tiny.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:23 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 5 2012, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw the small Obi-Wan the other week... couldn't believe how tiny.


Yeah. They're basically CV Commanders. Which is actually pretty great.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:28 AM

And they do actually plug into Star Destroyer Vader with those weird tabs they all have, though it took me a bit to find the connection point.

Not that it really accomplishes anything interesting, but planned interaction is always sort of neat.
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