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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Ms Virion

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 09:30 PM

And we're all embarrassed by them, but sometimes it feels good to laugh about them with friends, right?

I'll start.

I legitimately and honestly love watching Bibleman. It hits all the right points of campiness for me to get me laughing like a moron.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 09:38 PM

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 09:39 PM

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OF COURSE!

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 09:41 PM

I love "bad" cinema.

80s Italian B-movies, cheesy action flicks, the occasional video game movie, badly dubbed kung fu, RoboCop 2...

I like RoboCop 2! It's not great but it has some really interesting concepts in it that keep it from being unwatchable.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:01 PM

katie perry.......Shrug.....and Road house, because its Road house.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

I like Batman & Robin....

Seriously, its so over the top and goofy that it brings a smile to my face every time. Its like watching an episode of the Adam West show with a much larger budget.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE(Automan2000 @ Jan 13 2012, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like Batman & Robin....

Seriously, its so over the top and goofy that it brings a smile to my face every time. Its like watching an episode of the Adam West show with a much larger budget.


You know, I'd never thought about it in this light, but it fits. Especially with how completely ineffectual the police are.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:29 PM

Ponies, obviously.

But other things I feel guilty about and wouldn't really advertise? I a lot of the childish stuff I eat.

Milk and cookies. Root beer floats.

I feel silly as a grown man eating those things, but they taste so good...

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:35 PM

The Room.

Also, I love ironic covers. Like this one:


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:40 PM



Wizards of Waverly Place.

Pretty Little Liars.

I guess I'm a 14 year old girl.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:42 PM

Listening to really awful 90s music. specifically 90s dance music while driving.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:57 PM

Mine are that I am a fan of Jar Jar Binks, he was the highlight of episode 1 for me.

Also as I admitted to someone recently, I have to say I enjoy ROTF a lot more then I enjoyed DotM. And yes I even enjoyed Mudflap and Skids, because I took it as non-city kids trying to imitate being from "da hood".

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:59 PM

I like to troll right wing extremist sites.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 14 2012, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty Little Liars.


I watched that for a while.
I like that kind of show because it is funny to me how stupid everyone is.

I also watched Degrassi-The Next Generation.
Seriously the worst high school ever. Is that really what it is like in Canada?
Again, to me it is a comedy, not a drama. Extremely dramatic silly stuffy like that is funny to me, because it isn't realistic so I can't empathize with the characters.

Also, Desperate Housewives... for the same reasons as above.
I don't know how Mike and Carlos can put up with those women.


Most of these things I started watching because it was free on the internet, and it makes good background noise while you do really boring tasks, like enter in data from experiments etc. You don't really care if you miss a little bit of the show because its just silly, but it is enjoyable because it gives you some interesting background noise, as is funny for reasons not intended by the writers.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:00 AM

Most people who interact with me know me as a generally pleasant person. But then after a while they tend to notice what I'm really all about.

Put simply, I'm a huge sadist. Sexual and non. I love teasing people, I love scaring them, and I love being able to change someone's mind and force their courage out of their body and down their legs with a simple smile.

Of course, I'd never hurt a fly. Just, you know, terrify it.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:14 AM

QUOTE(Varnon @ Jan 14 2012, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also watched Degrassi-The Next Generation.
Seriously the worst high school ever. Is that really what it is like in Canada?


Canadian high schools are no worse (though this isn't saying much) than high schools anywhere else, so far as I know. The show is aimed primarily at tweens and teens, though; so of course they're going to make everything more [melo]dramatic than necessary. You need that just to get through their hides.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:37 AM

The Ruby-Spears Mega Man cartoon is my favorite piece of Mega Man fiction ever. icon-wildride.gif

Also, I friggin' love Full House.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:54 AM

I watch all the Resident Evil films at least once a year.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 07:57 AM

Troma films.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:07 AM

I watch magic Knight Rayearth.
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