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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.


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#21 Shadewing

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:19 PM

So we've got a new TF Medical term: Rigor Morphis, and was that Dipstick from LSOTW standing next to Xaaron?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:30 PM

Sure looked like Dipstick, yeah.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

"Transformed to death" is a term I never really thought I'd ever hear O_O!

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:10 PM

I love Roche's art for this, and I'm really looking forward to some more exploration of Cybertronian society and *especially* interesting characters.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:55 PM

Rigor morphis...*groan*

I can't decide whether to love it or hate it because of the word play.







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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:58 PM

I want Roche to draw Transformers forever.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:48 PM

Is this the first mention of Nominus 'the douche' Prime since Megatron: Origin?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Jan 9 2012, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this the first mention of Nominus 'the douche' Prime since Megatron: Origin?


Nominus first appeared in "Chaos Theory," which was a few months ago.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:01 AM

Megatron: Origin prominently featured a senator named Decimus, is that who you're thinking of? He also had a cameo in Chaos Theory.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE(Jackpot @ Jan 9 2012, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The TF timeline just keeps getting stretched further into absurdity. The Ironhide mini told us that the war started 4 million years ago, #31 gave us a peek at Transformer life 15 million years into the future, and now this tells us that the Ark-1 left 6 million years ago, and transformation was developed another 6 million years before that. So we've now got a 27-million-year-long history, with probably more behind it going back to the first Cybertronians' origin. Good lord. I always prefer it when a new continuity drops the "millions of years" thing, but maybe I should just shrug and grin at the parody-like outrageousness that it's being taken to here. I guess there's always the hope that the Aligned bible either confines things to centuries/millenia or leaves it all purposely vague.


The Autobots and Decepticons did fight a 4 million years long civil war. How we perceive time really doesn't apply to them when you have a population of immortal robots who don't die outside of murder or suicide.

Edited by Cyoti, 10 January 2012 - 12:13 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 9 2012, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Jan 9 2012, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this the first mention of Nominus 'the douche' Prime since Megatron: Origin?


Nominus first appeared in "Chaos Theory," which was a few months ago.


The Energon rewatch must be screwing up my brain. Was a misreading of the wiki.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:29 AM

QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Jan 10 2012, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Energon rewatch must be screwing up my brain.


Yeah, Energon Poisoning is known to do that...

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:30 AM

QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Jan 10 2012, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 9 2012, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Jan 9 2012, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this the first mention of Nominus 'the douche' Prime since Megatron: Origin?


Nominus first appeared in "Chaos Theory," which was a few months ago.


The Energon rewatch must be screwing up my brain. Was a misreading of the wiki.


The wiki was dumb and included a storylink to Megatron Origin even though he didn't exist as a character when that was made. I removed it. Some folks like putting in storylinks for fiction that's relevant to the character, but I'm a firm believer in linking nothing in the fiction section to something that the character didn't appear in or wasn't mentioned. Your confusion is why.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 01:13 AM

I'd like to point out that since this series will (eventually, given the pacing of the preview) deal with transformers in space, there is absolutely nothing "more than meets the eyes" about the series. Although I suppose it's better than "robots in disguise" where they are not in disguise on cybertron dealing with the 99%. Because IDW, like Batman, identifies with the 1%. They're job creators after all. And make more money in a day than you make in your lifetime. Because of their can-do attitude. Darned NAILS - why don't they love Iacon?

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jan 9 2012, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That preview rocks. Chromedome getting air time and being special for his programming skill. Him being best friends with fellow nerd Rewind. Prowl being a dick.

This is what I want out of Transformers. Robots who are characters acting in character. Mystery, excitement, adventure. Can't wait for more.


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QUOTE(Confuzor @ Jan 9 2012, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Transformed to death" is a term I never really thought I'd ever hear O_O!

Yeah, that reminds me of when Optimus asked Rodimus what the matrix felt like and Rodimus' response made it sound like transforming hurts them except for rare good days.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:32 AM

QUOTE(Cyoti @ Jan 9 2012, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Autobots and Decepticons did fight a 4 million years long civil war.

Not necessarily, if the creators of a new continuity don't want that to be the case. To the best of my knowledge, IDW actually kept the timeline vague for quite a while - Furman never gave dates of historical events, nor did other authors who even wrote stories set in the past (Megatron Origin, AHM, Spotlight: Blurr) until Costa, who finally dropped the "4 million years" bomb in Ironhide. Now that that's happened, I can't actually blame the new team for running with it, but I'm surprised how... enthusiastically they've embraced the concept.

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How we perceive time really doesn't apply to them when you have a population of immortal robots who don't die outside of murder or suicide.

True, but only up to a point. Consider how much life changes on Earth over millions of years through natural-selection-driven adaptation, then consider that the TFs can reconfigure their bodies almost without limit anytime they want. They should've become entirely new species several times over by now! I don't actually have a problem with the idea of a millions-of-years-old race - I like Babylon 5 as much as the next guy - but the TFs' personalities and behavior are absurdly similar to decades-old humans if that's the case. Keeping within IDW, look at the character arcs we've seen, Optimus in particular. We've watched circumstances over an in-fiction five-year span change him from a distant, pragmatic commander to a sentimental protector to a baffled soul-searcher. After 4+ million years, how could he have not already made that journey in some form? Nothing should ever be a surprise to him or anyone else!

Now, all that having been said, I don't think it's impossible to do the concept justice within TF. I think having a human express astonishment at TF history could open the door to some interesting statements about human nature, about the stubbornness of individuals and the need for new generations to replace the old in order to overcome deep hatreds. Also our tendency to repeat cycles within our individual lives. But I've yet to actually see such a story. I've only really seen authors address the absurdity by introducing mitigating factors, like DW's concept of Cybertron having gone through a "Great Shutdown." And of course when the idea was first introduced in the G1 'toon pilot, the cast spent those millions of years comatose, and when they awoke, they quite reasonably wondered whether Cybertron even still existed. Then later, Rumble's lack of knowledge of Vector Sigma and everyone but Blitzwing's amnesia about the Quintessons suggested that TFs couldn't actually remember their whole lives, which could go some way towards explaining their lack of change. Like Memento on an astronomical scale. But that's dipping into fanon territory, and it's still essentially a dodge, not a true justification.

There are plenty of absurdities in TF that I find forgivable, even indispensable, but even when I was a kid I looked askance at this one. I honestly don't think the mythos would be any worse off - in fact, it would be better - if it quietly disappeared. Nevertheless, I'm sure this won't be its last occurrence in the canon, and I'll just have to keep living with it. But that doesn't mean I won't still sigh a little each time.

Edited by Jackpot, 10 January 2012 - 03:10 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:53 AM

I miss when IDW had good art. Consistently.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:55 AM

It's a good thing they'll be having good art consistently moving forward, if this preview is anything to go by!

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:35 AM

Story looks interesting.

Art sadly veering off into parody.

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