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@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.


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#1 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

The previous thread has gotten bulky beyond reason.
With Registration going live it's time for a new thread so others won't feel the need to catch up on 90 pages.

Have at it!
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:17 PM

Hey! Fun Pub! Take my money!

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:18 PM

I'm confused. Was there going to be a figure revealed today?
Reclaim the suffix.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:19 PM

I have nothing to say yet, but I wanna be notified about responses, and so I offer this:

QUOTE(Botcon Twitter)
One head per toy. Each toy will have its own unique head to the overall offering. Troopbuilders can be a different thing though.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:22 PM

So Botcon is a place to get good head, then.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:22 PM

IT'S UP!!!

And I think I got in the class, for Thursday. WOO!

Incidentally, number 4473.

Edited by Devcon, 06 January 2012 - 06:24 PM.

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#7 Repugnus

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:23 PM

Registered! With the Customization Class! Invoice Number: 4498! (Whatever that number means.)

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:26 PM

Well there went my entire paycheck.

But FIRST custom class EVER! icon-ironhide.gif

Who else is going to be there Wednesday?

Edited by MrBlud, 06 January 2012 - 06:26 PM.

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#9 Walky

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:26 PM

I had 4479.

...but the on-screen receipt of what I purchased was BLANK.

SO WHAT THE HELL.

Do I have to do this again? Did it go through?

Edited by Code of Walky, 06 January 2012 - 06:36 PM.


#10 Detour

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jan 6 2012, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have nothing to say yet, but I wanna be notified about responses, and so I offer this:

QUOTE(Botcon Twitter)
One head per toy. Each toy will have its own unique head to the overall offering. Troopbuilders can be a different thing though.


Makes me wonder about the rumored Kick-Off now.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#11 Rosicrucian

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:27 PM

Oh. Attendees only. Welp. I'll wait.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Jan 6 2012, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well there went my entire paycheck.

But FIRST custom class EVER! icon-ironhide.gif

Who else is going to be there Wednesday?

What I was thinking myself icon-fire.gif

Now to buy my plane ticket, and renew my passport so my boney Canuckian ass will be allowed on Texan soil.
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#13 Walky

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 6 2012, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had 4493.

...but the on-screen receipt of what I purchased was BLANK.

SO WHAT THE HELL.

Do I have to di this again? Did it go through?


God damn, I'd better have gotten that customization class.

...I'm trying to do it again just in case, but the selection iframe(?) at the bottom are 404ing.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

Surprised the Thursday Class is sold out already. Got in on the Wednesday one. Our first look at Ultra Magnus and Metalhawk too (Metalhawk is Thunderwing with a human head icon-silverbolt.gif icon-silverbolt.gif icon-silverbolt.gif).

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#15 Powered Convoy

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:29 PM

I had 4567. Nice that they sent e-mails to the club members before the tweet.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:30 PM

Damn, the Thursday custom class went fast. Got in the Wednesday class, however.

One thing I don't understand - what do they mean by the class being from 9am to 5pm. I can't imagine it taking 8 hours to put paint and assemble a TF.
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#17 Walky

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 6 2012, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surprised the Thursday Class is sold out already.


God damn.

I better have gotten in. I put in my damn card and everything, and then the damn receipt page was blank of the options I'd chosen.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:30 PM

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Surprised the Thursday Class is sold out already. Got in on the Wednesday one.


WE'RE CUSTOM BUDDIES! icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:31 PM

Wow, Metalhawk's jet mode is a bit messy color-wise, IMO.
Robot mode is gorgeous, though.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:31 PM

So when did this actually go online, the message I got in my e-mail was at 6:25?

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