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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


CHMS Deluxe Sunstorm (orange) review


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:49 AM

One of my box Black Friday sale toys from KOtoys was a CHMS orange Sunstorm. You may recall when CHMS first released a Sunstorm toy it was yellow, which wasn't well received by some fans for the color choice, until this orange version came out too. Packaging is similar to Henkei Starscream. The box clearly states CHMS in the top corner instead of Takara Tomy. It's sloppily taped to the card. Inside Sunstorm is held down to 2 metal ties. In a ziplock baggies is a copy of the Henkei Starscream instructions (which do say Takaratomy on them!) as well as a bio card. The bio card is that of Henkei Starscream printed with only the yellow ink (no red or blue). Sadly mine is also off printed off center by an inch, so it cuts off half the printing. Note: That's a stock photo of the box, where the card is fine, my card is off center, and it was below the instructions, so you couldn't tell. I wonder if they were hiding the flaw?



In jet mode the toy looks awesome. Similar to the ehobby Sunstorm toy. Compared to my Classic Starscream it is a little looser in the wings. I also notice that the Decepticon symbols on the wings are a little crooked. I should probably put reprolabels over them.







The transformation is the same as the Classic Starscream, it uses a pretty near exact copy of the mold (not one that removes some leg joints, seen on early KOs by other companies). There is some trouble fitting the nosecone into the chest and shutting the chest completely, but it can be done. I'm told many CHMS seekers have this problem. Nothing is horribly loose or flopping, but it's no where as tight as my Classic Starscream, which has started to tighten up with age. The deco of the toy is VERY similar to Henkei Thundercracker. Basically take Henkei Thundercracker and remove the silver chest, change the blue to orange and the black to white, and you have nearly have Sunstorm's deco. Oddly the launcher buttons are made of orange plastic, but painted completely white. Paint is not as sloppy as some CHMS products I've seen, except for the already-mentioned Decepticon symbols on the wings being tilted.

Chrome seems perfect for now. I don't know it if will flake, but I'm told later CHMS toys had better chrome than early ones.

I notice that one of the 4 screws holding in the wings has it's philips head slightly stripped, like the guy putting them together pushed too long or something. Probably only an issue if you plan to remove them, as the screw is fully seated.

Inside his left leg is a copyright Hasbro 2006, while inside the left is a "CHMS1" stamp.




Edited by mignash, 06 January 2012 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:48 AM

I love him. He makes a damn near perfect Sunstorm in my opinion. No stupid hugging yellow either.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:10 PM

I have the yellow Raimmaker too, and would consider the yellow Sunstorm that I've seen cheap on ebay as additional Seekers in my army, but this has to be my favorite. It's a shame Hasbro or Takara never made one. I know they recolored that mold to death, but to Seeker collectors, we can't see too many repaints of that mold.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

I think this toy is a piece of jive. Not really much good about it. Plastic is decent, but he's loose, the paint apps suck, things don't fit well, and others are too difficult to move. Mine even has missing paint apps on his left wing. Waste of $10.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:01 AM

Sorry to hear that Randy. You really got a jivey one if you have that many problems.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:20 AM

I got this guy when he was first released and absolutely love him. His joints and paint apps are good as is the plastic quality but he's been replaced by IGear's Sunstorm now so the poor guy is now in storage.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Jan 9 2012, 06:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to hear that Randy. You really got a jivey one if you have that many problems.

Thanks, I'll probably just end up selling the 3 (3 different kinds mind you) I bought.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:45 AM

Do you have any problems getting the feet all the way down for robot mode? I have the purple clone seeker (x3) and the feet don't make it down quite all the way (I don't want to break it by forcing it). Wondered if this guy had the same issue.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:51 AM

Ignoring the KO shoddiness aspect of the figure, I find the deco rather bland, especially in alt-mode and in the upper-chest area.

I suppose that's the problem with patterning toys out of the Sunbow Cartoon, though. =/

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Jan 13 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you have any problems getting the feet all the way down for robot mode? I have the purple clone seeker (x3) and the feet don't make it down quite all the way (I don't want to break it by forcing it). Wondered if this guy had the same issue.


I have 5 of these CHMS seekers and only my Acid Rain suffers. His left foot won't quite reach.

I'm afraid it is clear that quality on these is spotty and depends greatly on how much you can tolerate. To me, these are 90% and anymore that beats a lot of official product. But I also know I got lucky to avoid some issues with mine that some others are having.

Got mine loose, not sure if that made any difference. I truly love them. I know we would likely never get anything like them from Hasbro and even TakaraTomy.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:09 AM

I don't believe I have any problems with the feet.

A Generations Thrust I bought did so I returned it.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

I picked up the yellow one from ii-toy on ebay for $11 and free shipping. Nice looking, but it had 2 QC issues. It's missing the pin on his right foot and they painted the wrong part of his right leg. Got the vent on his shin instead of his knee. It's painted just fine, but it's not symetrical with the left leg.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:05 PM

I was happily surprised to learn that Reprolabels had a set of labels for the CHMS Sunstorm. Oddly they are NOT recolors of the Starscream labels (which is what ehobby Sunstorm used), but recolors of the Thundercracker labels done to match the orange colors. Still, they look nice. The set is called "Jet Chrome II."




Edited by mignash, 07 March 2012 - 10:06 PM.




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