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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


Clear repro Fansproject DIA Commander armor.


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#1 Guest_mignash_*

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:10 AM

From the Planet Iacon Facebook page.

http://www.facebook....190726147660000

Seems there is a clear version of the DIA commander armor being produced, probably not by Fansproject. Looks nice with Crystal Convoy.



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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:15 AM

While the Takara Crystal Convoy is almost impossible to get, and KOtoys reproduction of it is offline, I see Chimungmung just started stocking "Krystal Konvoy". For those without the rare Takara toy that might be the only option to put a cab on this armor.

http://chimungmung.c...products_id=475

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:46 AM

Title should read 'KO' then, not 'Repro'....
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:30 AM

I cannot see this being a good idea. Even if FP made it

Transparent plastic plus that nasty tight grip these things have on the legs of the Prime mold basically mean that you are not going to get it off the feet, and if you try, something is going to break horribly

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jan 31 2012, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Title should read 'KO' then, not 'Repro'....


Can you define the difference between a reproduction and a knockoff to you?

Technically they are the same thing, but I usually say reproduction if it's a medium to high quality immitation sold to the collectors market, which these seem to be from my experience with the other non-Fansproject made Commander armors, and usually say knockoff for low quality mass produced item sold the the kids in China or in discount stores in the USA.

Edited by mignash, 31 January 2012 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 31 2012, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you define the difference between a reproduction and a knockoff to you?


There isn't any.

"Reproduction" as often used by sellers, is just a way of presenting a shadily produced knock-off as somehow more savoury.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

If they are the same thing then I didn't used it wrong.

Like Reprolables or Tranrepro parts, Reproduction is generally used to mean some collector's item not made by the original company. Knockoff had the connotation of being cheap mass produced copies of low quality.

For my personal use, this is a "knockoff" Starscream:



This is a "reproduction" Starscream:





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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:50 PM

omigodwhocares

Both are frauds.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:58 PM

to stir the pot in this pointless semantics debate...

Are Reprolabels knockoffs?

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Jan 31 2012, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
omigodwhocares


The answer would be "Cat" who brought it up.


#11 Mecheon

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
to stir the pot in this pointless semantics debate...

Are Reprolabels knockoffs?

The ones that replicate existing sticker sheets, yes

The ones that add more detail? Nope


Anywho, I still stand by my point that this is a mold that should not be done in transparent plastic

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

Didn't we have the argument before? It's semantics at best. Just calling something a "reproduction" adds an air of legitimacy to it. As though Fansproject perhaps allowed a new company to pick up the Commander armor mantle that it no long desired to wear . Since this is likely not the case - it's a knock off, a boot leg or, if you really want to still use reproduction just tack on "unauthorized" to the front.

For a more precise example: the minibot keychains were reproductions. Encore Optimus Prime, Megatron, etc is a reproduction. They are not original G1 toys, but they are new versions of old toys made by their original creators. This is a fourth party stealing a third party's idea and making their own copy of it.

In any case yes it's pretty but I also agree it looks crack-tastic. It'd be surprised if it arrived in one piece let alone held together long enough to put it on.

Edited by Dake, 31 January 2012 - 10:58 PM.

 
 
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

^What Dake said.

This is a KO, not a reproduction.

It's also a KO because it's not authorised by the original maker, and is not actually a reproduction of the item, as it's different anyway (FP never did a clear version).

It's a KO.

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 01:18 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:22 AM

I believe the word you're looking for is "counterfeit"

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:53 AM

"No officer, these aren't counterfeit Louis Vutton handbags. They're just high quality imitations. See, totally fine. Wait, why are you still cuffing me?"

And bonus: seeing this set is most likely to be used with a KOLD Convoy (unless im wrong on the manufacturer of that KO. I do get the whole CHMS thing confused sometime), isn't the clue right there? The KO part in KOLD says it all.

And Mignash, you chopped off the rest of what Nickstart said. It also mattered.

If I started a thread in the main Transformers forum about Prime toys, but labelled the thread as 'Kre-Os', people would immediately point out my use of the wrong term. Same here. You've labelled this as 'Repro', when it's not.

A thread about FP doing this would also go in this forum, so isn't it best to be clear, and use the correct terminology?

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 03:00 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:52 AM

What annoys me is the people who keep bringing up the ethics of KOs in every thread about a KO product. Seems to be an effort by certain people to harass the subject into silence and it's very annoying.

Edited by mignash, 01 February 2012 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:04 AM

Just suggesting more accurate terminology.

You're paranoid.

EDIT: Although when we ARE talking about stolen goods, why bother mincing around it? They're counterfeit, fake, KO, bootleg, etc.

They are what they are.

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 07:05 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:39 AM

My name is Dake and I have a box full of KO Classics Seekers. There - I'm on the dark side with you Mignash. icon-fire.gif It's not about shaming or guilting or anything else. Just being honest about the origins. After all, this entire sub-forum is dedicated to KOs.
 
 
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

I think it's about being accurate in description. Both Knockoffs/Reproductions are illegally copied, no one is debating that. I use the word reproduction for highly accurate collectables, and knockoff for the cheap ones. Nothing wrong with that. I don't stand for the dishosest practice I see on ebay sometimes where a seller describes a reproduction as a "reissue", that would be lying.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:21 PM

A reproduction ISN'T necessarily illegally copied.

However, in this case you ARE talking about a Knock Off.

You're using the terms incorrectly.

Correct title for this thread wold be ' Clear KO FP DIA Commander Armour'.


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