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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just


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There hasn't really ever been a truly good tetrajet toy, has there?


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#1 gargunkle

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:59 PM

I was reading the Seekers article at the wiki and I came across this classic image:

http://tfwiki.net/wi...jet_seekers.jpg

This got me thinking... has there ever been a really good interpretation of this design in toy form? The main ones that come to mind are the Titanium and the Cybertron mold (which seems to be basically the same thing between Supreme/Voyager/Legends size). I don't have any of these. Are any of them good? Are there any others?

The look of the tetrajet in the G1 cartoon was just so slick.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

I like the Titanium version aesthetically better than the Cybertron mold. That being said, I don't think a true Tetrajet is really possible without lots of finnicky panel kibble at any rate. Plus, it'd be even more difficult to make a real G1 Tetrajet since they'd still have bot modes with F-15 parts. icon-fire.gif

That being said, we've been surprised before - maybe some third party maker will get there.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:04 PM

nope there aren't any others... and no there hasn't been another non-cybertron/titanium design

the problem being that according to G1 the tetrajets transform into robots that look like they turn into F15s

so there's obvious toy-design problems.

arg - Dake types faster than me

Edited by Destron D-69, 18 December 2011 - 07:05 PM.

With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:30 PM

Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.

Edited by C16, 18 December 2011 - 07:38 PM.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:34 PM

and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif
With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.



QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif


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I'd be surprised if we didn't get a FoC jet this go around, but they look more like the old Cybertron toys too really. Personally, I'd sacrifice the G1 bot mode details to get a well-done Tetrajet. I'd be ok if they just got it relatively close in robot mode.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

Honestly I was forgetting somewhat that the robot mode was still the F15. But yes I'd settle for a good bot mode (not having to be slavish to the F15 bot mode) and a great tetrajet.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:30 PM

Good find, guys. I'm sure C16 is going to go home and rethink his life now.

Hoping for a Fall of Cybertron Starscream toy here. It's a neat enough design that will satisfy any desire I have for Tetrajets, and it's an easy boost for a WFC/FOC display.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:48 PM

It's not really impossible... in fact the Luke Skywalker Snowspeeder toy I have sort of has the basic mental "this is how it would transform" concept, as I see it in my head.

But the Titanium and Cybertron toys wanted to be evocative of the Tetra jets, not actually them, and they're medicore (Ti) to awful (Cybertron).

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:01 PM

I know we'd dearly love transformable versions, I got that. However, I'm pretty satisfied with crazysteve's customs. http://pleasesavemer...modes/jets.html I have Sunstorm and one of the Skywarps, and in my opinion, Esteban is entirely too hard on himself as regards those initial offerings.

(Pretty nice when displayed in an HOC/SCF collection.)
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE(Dake @ Dec 18 2011, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(C16 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.



QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif


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I'd be surprised if we didn't get a FoC jet this go around, but they look more like the old Cybertron toys too really. Personally, I'd sacrifice the G1 bot mode details to get a well-done Tetrajet. I'd be ok if they just got it relatively close in robot mode.


Yeah, I'm really surprised we didn't get it last time, but they can't pass it up for long. Because they made a decision in 1984 that's made a goldmine for them. Repaints of a lot of molds get a "yeah, yeah, boring repaint" response. But if they don't make 2 repaints of a seeker mold, "They're bums, I tell ya. Bums"

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:22 PM

I guess I don't have Cybertron Starscream. I have Shattered Glass Starscream.

Really, I thought the Titanium was good enough. I'm not really nostalgic about Sunbow tetrajets, I guess. That doesn't really sound like me, but there you go. The Titanium ones are really War Within, right?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:25 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE(Nebucron @ Dec 18 2011, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...


I love the Cybertron mold, but would still love to see an actual well done Sunbow tetrajet. I agree that the robot mode doesn't need to look like the F-15 seekers, though, just a decent robot.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:08 PM

I'd love to get a proper tetrajet. The War Within design is nice in that it doesn't have the silly F-15 details in robot mode, but all of War Within leans a little too far toward technogreeblies and away from the sleekness I liked in the old Sunbow designs. Of the two vaguely tetrajet molds we have, the Titanium is a far more attractive jet while the Cybertron toy is an overall better mold.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

We talking about the same Scouts-have-have-better-arm-joints partially-exposed-head wider-than-he-is-tall Cybertron mold?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:54 PM

sounds that way lol

I love Universe Dirge as a Cybertron jet... looks AWESOME ..I'm honest with myself that the mold has its share of problems... but it looks Great, and transforms like a breeze... flip, flip, joint, joint, tabs DONE.

- and on a side note, I hope C16 doesn't change his ways. icon-hotrod.gif I like the guy, keeps me on my toes. I respect that.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:27 AM

I don't know, this thread has really been an eye opener for me. If only other people could take suggestions as easily!
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:45 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Dec 18 2011, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly I was forgetting somewhat that the robot mode was still the F15. But yes I'd settle for a good bot mode (not having to be slavish to the F15 bot mode) and a great tetrajet.


Considering the intent of having a pre-Cybertron mode which would naturally affect the robot mode, it makes perfect sense that if we every get a true tetrajet toy that the robot mode wouldn't be the same as the Earth robot mode. I'd love to see what someone comes up with. They only design elements I would want to keep in the robot mode are the chest canopy and the shoulder wings. Everything else can be whatever it takes to get the tetrajet.

For that matter I'd like to get Jazz, Wheeljack, and Bumblee too. But then, I still foolishly hope to finally get an accurate G1 Skyfire. Seems it's mostly a modified Robotech Valkyrie with a few transformational changes.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE(Nebucron @ Dec 18 2011, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...


I'm with you. I love the Cybertron seeker mold and wish they'd finally release the voyager mold in the US beyond the TRU exclusive. I hate that I didn't get that box set. We got the Legends size and the Surpeme size. It still amazes me and disappoints me that we never got a retail release of the voyager mold.
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