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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 D Buster Prime

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:06 PM

http://reviews.cnet....7-35089447.html

Basically, it's an Android tablet with a 4-core processor (and a 5th core for low power operations to conserve battery life), with a keyboard dock that transforms the tablet into an Android netbook and extends the battery life even further.

I just pre-ordered one from GameStop (other pre-order sites are mostly sold out) after reading the initial reviews today, and I'm pretty excited. It also doesn't hurt that my first Android tablet will be called a Transformer.

Anybody else been reading up on this and/or looking into getting one?

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:34 PM

I have been looking at tablets lately, but my eye has been on a Vizio which can also act as a universal remote.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:37 PM

I have to wonder with all the copyrights and trademark laws, how they got away with calling a Product the almost exact name of another Brand's line of product?

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:34 PM

http://www.amazon.co...4...6924&sr=8-1

Already done, with a better OS none the less.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 07:04 AM

QUOTE(Tm_Silverclaw @ Dec 1 2011, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.amazon.co...4...6924&sr=8-1

Already done, with a better OS none the less.


I already have a Windows Tablet PC. Microsoft might get it with Windows 8, but for now, their tablets suck, as the UI isn't designed with finger-touch in mind, but with a stylus. Its the same reason the first Windows phones and Pocket PCs lost out to the iPhone and iPod touch.

...and the Iconia Tablet can't even fold closed. It's a parts-former.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:21 AM

I like the form factor, but don't like the gimped OS. The biggest issue with the iPad and other tablets to be is they aren't keyboardless netbooks, but rather bigger iPods, or smart phones without phones. This goes a step further and is pretty much a netbook without a real OS, which really is a step backwards in the computing world as far as I'm concerned. I love my netbook because it has a real OS on it, and I can do real things and install real programs on it, not just surf the net, read e-mail and use "apps".

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:23 AM

i think we can call 2011 'tablet bonanza year' icon-waspy.gif still cant find a Blackberry tablet (it costs 199$!) for my bro, its all SOL here and they wont be getting new stock until january (and it will go back to 300$)

and i find it depressing when a Tablet has the same power (quad core) as my computer :|
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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:55 AM

I've got the original Asus Transformer table, and it's pretty much my go-to device for anything that doesn't require a full desktop. I'd love to upgrade to the Prime, but I'm not sure I could get anough for my TF101 to make a sizeable dent in the purchase price.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 01:26 PM

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I like the form factor, but don't like the gimped OS. The biggest issue with the iPad and other tablets to be is they aren't keyboardless netbooks, but rather bigger iPods, or smart phones without phones. This goes a step further and is pretty much a netbook without a real OS, which really is a step backwards in the computing world as far as I'm concerned. I love my netbook because it has a real OS on it, and I can do real things and install real programs on it, not just surf the net, read e-mail and use "apps".

There's a fair number of things mobile OSs are better at, too; there are apps and use cases that only desktop OSs have and apps and use cases that only mobile ones have readily available, and plenty of workarounds in either case. Android would seem fairly constrictive if it's your only machine, but it's not beyond reason for some uses, particularly since this is Honeycomb, which is made for tablets in the first place, not phones.

It's all going to come down to what applications you actually intend to run. On anything but Windows, there's no gaming to speak of, and mobile OSs generally wouldn't give you many options for, say, graphic or web design work that you could do with Windows / OSX / desktop Linux. On the other hand, anything to do with document handling and word processing, web browsing, multimedia, etc. could reasonably be handled with Android. The lack of a regular window manager would get on my nerves - I don't like the idea of not being able to have two documents up from separate apps at the same time - but I really don't know whether that's a typical concern. With a "mobile device," you often have 3G data, a decent camera, etc. that are harder to come by on a regular netbook.

The Iconia would definitely not be interchangeable with the Transformer. It's a better netbook and pointless as a tablet. There are others - Dell has a popup-book-type netbook like that, and Asus has a couple models with screens that swing around over the keyboard, like older tablet notebooks. But they're as heavy or heavier than a regular netbook, and the tablet mode wouldn't be a reasonable solution for casual reading. With the Transformer, you have a device that's already ridiculously light and portable, then splits in half for reading and web browsing. Also better for passing something around in a group, for that matter, because the interaction style with a tablet is different from a conventional PC, more like a clipboard and less like an automobile.

The only gotcha with the Transformer is that you can't get a 3G data plan with it. That does limit it to being a very light netbook with a keyboard that comes off and missing a few ports. That's still not a bad proposition for a lot of uses, though. It just probably wouldn't serve as your main PC.

Windows 7 is a bad fit for a touch device, too resource intensive and just not built for touch interaction, and I'm not sold on Windows 8 yet; the ARM version only supports the new Metro apps from the Microsoft app store, so it's hard to argue that it's somehow more a "real PC" than an iPad or Android tablet (the latter of which you can at least sideload homebrew apps onto.)

Also, the name is cute. = )

Edited by Copper Bezel, 02 December 2011 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 01:29 PM

I've got the first Transformer and like it a lot. It's not going to replace my desktop computer any time soon, but it rocks as a mobile device for email, watching videos, and playing games. Especially once you stick some emulators on it.

One of the biggest advantages of Android compared to conventional OSs for a netbook is that it turns on instantly. Other OSs have sleep modes of course, but those tend to take longer to come out of and that's annoying for a device to take with you everywhere.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 01:49 PM

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One of the biggest advantages of Android compared to conventional OSs for a netbook is that it turns on instantly. Other OSs have sleep modes of course, but those tend to take longer to come out of and that's annoying for a device to take with you everywhere.


Agreed, although this varies quite a bit, as you say. Apple's 11" MacBook Air is a netbook form-factor and OSX on its SSD wakes from suspend in about the time it takes you to open the lid, and some (not all) desktop Linuxes are fairly instantaneous at resuming, too.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 02:22 PM

Yeah, the whole point I'd want an EEE would be because I can put Linux or Windows on it, and use the Office suites.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

I use Quickoffice Pro HD on my Transformer and it works great for dealing with Microsoft Office stuff.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:38 PM

I'll take a look. On my phone I have a reader but I want to be able to edit and compose as well.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:39 PM

Yeah, and Quickoffice is a full editor. It was free on the Amazon App Store awhile back, think it's gone back to being a paid-for thing now though.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 12:50 AM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Dec 2 2011, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, the whole point I'd want an EEE would be because I can put Linux or Windows on it, and use the Office suites.


Asus Transformer Tablets come with a Polaris Office Suite pre-installed. I haven't found a lot of info. about it, but I think it's compatible with Microsoft Office files.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 12:57 AM

I'm not a huge of Polaris, but it does work and does come for free on the original Transformer. I like Quickoffice more for various interface reasons and for better integration with Google Docs and Dropbox.

Oh, and here's a free trial:
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Posted 03 December 2011 - 06:31 AM

Yeah, I'd say plan to play, but be prepared to settle. Honeycomb is going to feel Linuxy enough and do most of the things you need - even comes with a Nautilusy file manager in the Transformer Prime implementation. By the end of next year, you'd have your choice between Windows, desktop Linux, and Android, but for the moment, Windows 7 doesn't run on ARM and 8 / dev preview's ARM version has no apps or backwards compatibility, and the only really touch-optimized interface for desktop Linux is Gnome Shell, which has compatibility trouble enough running on some desktop video cards, to say nothing of all the other hardware stuff that probably won't be supported right at release.

Edit: And hey, with Android, you still have bash (via Busybox.) That's cool, right?

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

Not unity?

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 01:36 PM

I wouldn't really recommend it for a tablet, no. I haven't tried it myself, but I haven't heard good things. I know that's the goal and it's meant to bridge form factors well in future versions (and I don't doubt it will,) but the current version depends on a lot of mouse hover states, and not all the click targets have been expanded. The best example is the title bar controls for a maximized window, which are hidden under the window title (visible on hover) and narrower width-wise than the ones in Windows 7.

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