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@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.


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#21 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 12:37 PM

Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:05 PM

Look, all they want are their 13 identical guys in green pajamas.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE(Agent X @ Nov 19 2011, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's too bad TF G2 #2 won't be included to finish up the story. Of course IDW hasn't included stories from the Yearbooks/Annuals that continued from the series (yes there will be a Yearbook TPB, but its not the same!) and has even left out complete pages.

Maybe it will be in the new and improved Transformers reprints.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Nov 19 2011, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

Yup. This is one of the things that never fail to amuse (and sometimes annoy) me when I interact with Joe fandom. A lot of fans (even ones who also like TFs) like to draw a line (usually right before/after Serpentor) and claim that anything past that point is "too far". Thing is though... GI Joe has been military sci-fi from the start, with a good solid emphasis on the sci-fi aspect. From day one they were sporting a laser trooper, among other things.

Then again, a lot of TF fans like to draw lines before/after TFTM or Season 3, so we have our own version of that...

I don't care much for TF/Joe interaction myself, but that's from a storytelling aspect--Joes are supposed to be the superheroes of the armed forces, but they're superheroes in a world where giant robots are one-off Cobra plots. Humans of any stripe vs. Decepticons doesn't often work for me because at some point they need super-vehicles and/or Autobot assistance, and then it's just Autobots vs. Decepticons again (or may as well be). I feel it diminishes GI Joe by throwing the threat level completely out of whack and pitting them against foes they can't fight without equally-powerful help.

It's like Robin fighting Bizarro, but then Robin calls in Superman... why is Robin there again? What did he really bring to this party?

Edited by Lukeblast, 19 November 2011 - 01:37 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 17 2011, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ramhorn sacrifices himself instead of Max, the logic being that Max, when brought up to full, will be a far, far better fighter. Blaster, Dogfight, Fort Max, Buster, and Dr. Biggles-Jones all make it off via Max's flight mode.



QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.

Personally I think the best Joe/TF crossovers were the ones done by Devil"s Due, mostly because they were written more from the Joe point of view. They never really had the Joes go one-on-one with the Decepticons.



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Posted 19 November 2011 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Nov 19 2011, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Agent X @ Nov 19 2011, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's too bad TF G2 #2 won't be included to finish up the story.


It's my understanding that the Joe fandom in general - that is to say, the portion that doesn't cross over with TF fandom, and even some of them as well - will not give one single toss about this, and would rather forget this story occurred at all.


It wasn't just the fandom.

The 1st crossover was completely ignored in the Joeverse until Override name-dropped it during the second one, and the second one was only relevant in the sense that it tied up a dangling plot thread; otherwise, it too was ignored.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.


While this is true as well, I was thinking more in the matter of Fort Max's severely-damaged state.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 19 2011, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's like Robin fighting Bizarro, but then Robin calls in Superman... why is Robin there again? What did he really bring to this party?


Just wanted to point out that Robin beat Mongol (Easily Bizarro level or higher) in one of the great Alan Moore Superman stories. That's why they're super heroes, because they can win when that outclassed. Same goes for the Joes.

What it all REALLY comes down to is the quality of the writing. Good writing can sell you Spiderman beating Juggernaut and in fact make a great story out of it. Tunnel Rat vs. Skywarp is the makings of a great Joe TF story, if told well.


-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:29 PM

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-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

Remember the final battle in the first movie? How Lennox took out a Con with nothing more than a grenade launcher and a commandeered street bike?

Stuff like that.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:01 AM

Lennox was "painting" Blackout for the missiles that actually did the killing.

And that's pretty much the point I'm making. A single human--or even a squad of humans--does not take on a Cybertronian alone. It's all about weaponry and vehicles, but the vehicles and weapons the humans require to fight the robots can BE the robots, so why are there humans doing the fighting at all? This is why we generally get "companions" like Spike, the Armada kids, Sari, the Prime kids, etc... while combatants like the Neo-Knights are an exception. The very involvement of the Transformers in the story creates a massive power disparity that can only be solved by keeping those squishy humans out of the fights, somehow putting humans on equal footing (which often means just joining forces with the other side of Transformers), or (in rare cases) diminishing the Transformers themselves.

Additionally, a crossover gives both sides of both properties. When GI Joe teams up with Autobots to fight Decepticons and Cobra... we have transforming vehicles capable of taking on either side of humans that can only fight them with vehicles and weapons, so... why does it need to be Joe? What do they bring that's so special? The giant alien robots that are fully capable of fighting each other, so the worlds most elite fighting force/feared terrorist organization is overshadowed in their own crossover.

In cases where the humans HAVE to fight the Transformers because that's the whole story, the writer is saddled with a pretty terrible baseline dynamic. Yes, good writing will find ways to work with it and around it (and has!). It's not in any way impossible to tell a good story, but it's still a bad setup.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 19 2011, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Nov 19 2011, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

Yup. This is one of the things that never fail to amuse (and sometimes annoy) me when I interact with Joe fandom. A lot of fans (even ones who also like TFs) like to draw a line (usually right before/after Serpentor) and claim that anything past that point is "too far". Thing is though... GI Joe has been military sci-fi from the start, with a good solid emphasis on the sci-fi aspect. From day one they were sporting a laser trooper, among other things.

Then again, a lot of TF fans like to draw lines before/after TFTM or Season 3, so we have our own version of that...


TF Fans draw so many lines, it looks like a frackin' zebra.

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QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 17 2011, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ramhorn sacrifices himself instead of Max, the logic being that Max, when brought up to full, will be a far, far better fighter. Blaster, Dogfight, Fort Max, Buster, and Dr. Biggles-Jones all make it off via Max's flight mode.



QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.

Personally I think the best Joe/TF crossovers were the ones done by Devil"s Due, mostly because they were written more from the Joe point of view. They never really had the Joes go one-on-one with the Decepticons.


Well, Fortress Maximus did somehow drop from Earth orbit to the ground below at Spike's call in #51. Looked like he just walked out the airlock and let gravity do its thing.

Maybe he couldn't fly, but he could fall with the best of them.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:30 AM

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Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

You kind of open yourself to many absurdities by claiming an American soldier can take down any Transformer. They were effective in the movies because Bay has a boner for the military the Transformers in that universe were weak enough. It isn't the case in many G1 universes where the military couldn't even scratch the Decepticons, much less powerhouses like Galvatron.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:58 AM

I'm with Lukeblast in that I don't think they should occupy the same "universe" at all. It's true that such a cross-over can work when well-written but for me this is best kept to alternate universe stories where the implications can play out logically.

Neither of the G1 cross-overs were particularly great stories (I vastly prefer the UK origin for Goldbug), though I will give the Action Force one a pass for Geoff Senior's art. I hope it makes it into the UK classics reprints.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Nov 20 2011, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

With Cybertronian weapons, sure.
With present day weapons, NO FREAKING WAY.

G.I. Joes could put up a fight as they use advanced weaponry.

Edited by D.M, 21 November 2011 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 21 2011, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Nov 20 2011, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

With Cybertronian weapons, sure.
With present day weapons, NO FREAKING WAY.

G.I. Joes could put up a fight as they use advanced weaponry.



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Posted 23 November 2011 - 05:37 PM

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TF Fans draw so many lines, it looks like a frackin' zebra.


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Posted 23 November 2011 - 08:43 PM

So granted.



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