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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#21 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 12:37 PM

Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:05 PM

Look, all they want are their 13 identical guys in green pajamas.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE(Agent X @ Nov 19 2011, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's too bad TF G2 #2 won't be included to finish up the story. Of course IDW hasn't included stories from the Yearbooks/Annuals that continued from the series (yes there will be a Yearbook TPB, but its not the same!) and has even left out complete pages.

Maybe it will be in the new and improved Transformers reprints.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Nov 19 2011, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

Yup. This is one of the things that never fail to amuse (and sometimes annoy) me when I interact with Joe fandom. A lot of fans (even ones who also like TFs) like to draw a line (usually right before/after Serpentor) and claim that anything past that point is "too far". Thing is though... GI Joe has been military sci-fi from the start, with a good solid emphasis on the sci-fi aspect. From day one they were sporting a laser trooper, among other things.

Then again, a lot of TF fans like to draw lines before/after TFTM or Season 3, so we have our own version of that...

I don't care much for TF/Joe interaction myself, but that's from a storytelling aspect--Joes are supposed to be the superheroes of the armed forces, but they're superheroes in a world where giant robots are one-off Cobra plots. Humans of any stripe vs. Decepticons doesn't often work for me because at some point they need super-vehicles and/or Autobot assistance, and then it's just Autobots vs. Decepticons again (or may as well be). I feel it diminishes GI Joe by throwing the threat level completely out of whack and pitting them against foes they can't fight without equally-powerful help.

It's like Robin fighting Bizarro, but then Robin calls in Superman... why is Robin there again? What did he really bring to this party?

Edited by Lukeblast, 19 November 2011 - 01:37 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 17 2011, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ramhorn sacrifices himself instead of Max, the logic being that Max, when brought up to full, will be a far, far better fighter. Blaster, Dogfight, Fort Max, Buster, and Dr. Biggles-Jones all make it off via Max's flight mode.



QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.

Personally I think the best Joe/TF crossovers were the ones done by Devil"s Due, mostly because they were written more from the Joe point of view. They never really had the Joes go one-on-one with the Decepticons.



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Posted 19 November 2011 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Nov 19 2011, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Agent X @ Nov 19 2011, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's too bad TF G2 #2 won't be included to finish up the story.


It's my understanding that the Joe fandom in general - that is to say, the portion that doesn't cross over with TF fandom, and even some of them as well - will not give one single toss about this, and would rather forget this story occurred at all.


It wasn't just the fandom.

The 1st crossover was completely ignored in the Joeverse until Override name-dropped it during the second one, and the second one was only relevant in the sense that it tied up a dangling plot thread; otherwise, it too was ignored.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.


While this is true as well, I was thinking more in the matter of Fort Max's severely-damaged state.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 19 2011, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's like Robin fighting Bizarro, but then Robin calls in Superman... why is Robin there again? What did he really bring to this party?


Just wanted to point out that Robin beat Mongol (Easily Bizarro level or higher) in one of the great Alan Moore Superman stories. That's why they're super heroes, because they can win when that outclassed. Same goes for the Joes.

What it all REALLY comes down to is the quality of the writing. Good writing can sell you Spiderman beating Juggernaut and in fact make a great story out of it. Tunnel Rat vs. Skywarp is the makings of a great Joe TF story, if told well.


-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:29 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Nov 20 2011, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

Remember the final battle in the first movie? How Lennox took out a Con with nothing more than a grenade launcher and a commandeered street bike?

Stuff like that.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:01 AM

Lennox was "painting" Blackout for the missiles that actually did the killing.

And that's pretty much the point I'm making. A single human--or even a squad of humans--does not take on a Cybertronian alone. It's all about weaponry and vehicles, but the vehicles and weapons the humans require to fight the robots can BE the robots, so why are there humans doing the fighting at all? This is why we generally get "companions" like Spike, the Armada kids, Sari, the Prime kids, etc... while combatants like the Neo-Knights are an exception. The very involvement of the Transformers in the story creates a massive power disparity that can only be solved by keeping those squishy humans out of the fights, somehow putting humans on equal footing (which often means just joining forces with the other side of Transformers), or (in rare cases) diminishing the Transformers themselves.

Additionally, a crossover gives both sides of both properties. When GI Joe teams up with Autobots to fight Decepticons and Cobra... we have transforming vehicles capable of taking on either side of humans that can only fight them with vehicles and weapons, so... why does it need to be Joe? What do they bring that's so special? The giant alien robots that are fully capable of fighting each other, so the worlds most elite fighting force/feared terrorist organization is overshadowed in their own crossover.

In cases where the humans HAVE to fight the Transformers because that's the whole story, the writer is saddled with a pretty terrible baseline dynamic. Yes, good writing will find ways to work with it and around it (and has!). It's not in any way impossible to tell a good story, but it's still a bad setup.

Edited by Lukeblast, 21 November 2011 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 19 2011, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Nov 19 2011, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Many people forget how out there G.I.Joe really is. Giant robots aren't too out of place at all.

Yup. This is one of the things that never fail to amuse (and sometimes annoy) me when I interact with Joe fandom. A lot of fans (even ones who also like TFs) like to draw a line (usually right before/after Serpentor) and claim that anything past that point is "too far". Thing is though... GI Joe has been military sci-fi from the start, with a good solid emphasis on the sci-fi aspect. From day one they were sporting a laser trooper, among other things.

Then again, a lot of TF fans like to draw lines before/after TFTM or Season 3, so we have our own version of that...


TF Fans draw so many lines, it looks like a frackin' zebra.

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ Nov 19 2011, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 17 2011, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ramhorn sacrifices himself instead of Max, the logic being that Max, when brought up to full, will be a far, far better fighter. Blaster, Dogfight, Fort Max, Buster, and Dr. Biggles-Jones all make it off via Max's flight mode.



QUOTE(LBD @ Nov 18 2011, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fortress Ironhold: You're assuming Fort Max could even fly at that point.

Yeah, Fort Max never had a flight mode in the comics. Or if he did, he certainly never used it.

Personally I think the best Joe/TF crossovers were the ones done by Devil"s Due, mostly because they were written more from the Joe point of view. They never really had the Joes go one-on-one with the Decepticons.


Well, Fortress Maximus did somehow drop from Earth orbit to the ground below at Spike's call in #51. Looked like he just walked out the airlock and let gravity do its thing.

Maybe he couldn't fly, but he could fall with the best of them.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:30 AM

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Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

You kind of open yourself to many absurdities by claiming an American soldier can take down any Transformer. They were effective in the movies because Bay has a boner for the military the Transformers in that universe were weak enough. It isn't the case in many G1 universes where the military couldn't even scratch the Decepticons, much less powerhouses like Galvatron.

Edited by Moon Captain, 21 November 2011 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:58 AM

I'm with Lukeblast in that I don't think they should occupy the same "universe" at all. It's true that such a cross-over can work when well-written but for me this is best kept to alternate universe stories where the implications can play out logically.

Neither of the G1 cross-overs were particularly great stories (I vastly prefer the UK origin for Goldbug), though I will give the Action Force one a pass for Geoff Senior's art. I hope it makes it into the UK classics reprints.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 21 2011, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Nov 20 2011, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

With Cybertronian weapons, sure.
With present day weapons, NO FREAKING WAY.

G.I. Joes could put up a fight as they use advanced weaponry.

Edited by D.M, 21 November 2011 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Nov 21 2011, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Nov 21 2011, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Nov 20 2011, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, there's a reason so many folks love the Ratchet vs. Megatron parts of The Comics. Joe vs TFs is the same sort of potentially great underdog story...


Actually, IRL an American soldier could hypothetically take any given Cybertronian in a 1 - 1 battle provided that the soldier has half a second to prepare first.

With Cybertronian weapons, sure.
With present day weapons, NO FREAKING WAY.

G.I. Joes could put up a fight as they use advanced weaponry.



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Posted 23 November 2011 - 05:37 PM

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TF Fans draw so many lines, it looks like a frackin' zebra.


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QUOTE(Xaaron @ Nov 21 2011, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TF Fans draw so many lines, it looks like a frackin' zebra.


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Posted 23 November 2011 - 08:43 PM

So granted.



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