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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE(Ursa Magnus @ Nov 15 2011, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: Ah, wait. I see him in the Insert Coin section. Judging by his appearance, is he a Nightwing-esque kind of guy? Bat-gadgets and the like?

Yep, pretty much gadgets he makes himself. He doesn't have super-strength or anything. His "super-power" I guess is that sponge-like adaptability power.


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Posted 15 November 2011 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE(Strike @ Nov 15 2011, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While I'm at it. Might as well show the updated art for Osprey.


NICE! Very pulp 1930's-40s hero vibe. Phantom Reporter, Mister E, Crimson Avenger and the like.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 11:36 PM

Exactly!!

my artist friend did this in the Bruce Timm-style of Batman: The Animated Series. One episode specifically, guest starring the best batman, next to Kevin Conroy. Mister Adam West himself!

The episode I speak of? "Beware The Gray Ghost"!!

I LOVE that episode, it is perhaps my favorite one.

While this IS just a sketch Osprey's colors are taken directly from the North American Osprey itself.
as seen here::


So, that band across the eyes? his mask is that color. The wings? Osprey's cape is the same. Et Cetera ^^


Edit:: ooh, I DO hope this pic isn't TOO big o.o

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#24 Detour

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:44 AM

Okay, Osprey is hugging awesome. The stylish suit, the bird-feathers-cape, the feathered hat and the bird-beaked domino mask?
I mean that's just some epic freaking awesomeness right there.

QUOTE(SoS @ Nov 15 2011, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Solaredge

Abilities:
- Genius-level Intellect
- Photographic Memory
- Martial Arts Adaptability (able to learn any form of fighting style)

His personality is a mixture of Batman and Spider-Man.

Few criticisms there:
For someone with the word "solar" in his name, he is very, very dark.
Also, I hate hate hate hate hate these "learn anything" types as heroes. It's a trope that works for a villain, like Taskmaster, because it makes a challenge for the hero, but when you slap it on a hero, like GIJoe's Agent Helix, it results in a god-moder.

Edited by Detour, 16 November 2011 - 01:52 AM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 16 November 2011 - 02:00 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 16 2011, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, Osprey is hugging awesome. The stylish suit, the bird-feathers-cape, the feathered hat and the bird-beaked domino mask?
I mean that's just some epic freaking awesomeness right there.


Thanks Detour!! I'm really liking this version of the costume. It also fits since the others in The UnOrthodox also wear 'street clothes' as their costumes.

As you can figure, Osprey is a gadget user ^_^

He's... a sort of young batman from batman: brave and the bold. a little over the top, a little hammy. He recognizes the craziness of fighting crime in a cosutme, especially with no powers. So he has fun with it!


Ahh... was wondering if anyone might have any ideas on how to write a good bio for him. I didn't want to make it like "superhero encyclopedia" long but... I do want to go in-depth, you know?
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#26 Detour

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE(Strike @ Nov 16 2011, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's... a sort of young batman from batman: brave and the bold. a little over the top, a little hammy. He recognizes the craziness of fighting crime in a cosutme, especially with no powers. So he has fun with it!

The awesome keeps piling up.

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Ahh... was wondering if anyone might have any ideas on how to write a good bio for him. I didn't want to make it like "superhero encyclopedia" long but... I do want to go in-depth, you know?

Lord I wish I could help you there. Every time I try to write a bio it feels like I'm either prattling on needlessly or layering purple prose over purple prose or glossing over more important details or just plain old using the wrong words. It's why only BT has a bio, and even then I'm not satisfied with it.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 16 November 2011 - 04:02 PM

Osprey is indeed awesome. Great design and a great name too.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 16 2011, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Strike @ Nov 16 2011, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's... a sort of young batman from batman: brave and the bold. a little over the top, a little hammy. He recognizes the craziness of fighting crime in a cosutme, especially with no powers. So he has fun with it!

The awesome keeps piling up.

QUOTE
Ahh... was wondering if anyone might have any ideas on how to write a good bio for him. I didn't want to make it like "superhero encyclopedia" long but... I do want to go in-depth, you know?

Lord I wish I could help you there. Every time I try to write a bio it feels like I'm either prattling on needlessly or layering purple prose over purple prose or glossing over more important details or just plain old using the wrong words. It's why only BT has a bio, and even then I'm not satisfied with it.


Thank you! And I TOTALLY know where you're coming from Detour. I just have so many ideas since I've been working on the group of characters Osprey runs around with since I was in High School. The UnOrthodox are very close to my heart, so I'm loving the fact the artist friend who drew pulp-osprey is willing to do a comic! Finally I shall be published in some form or another!!

If you want, maybe I could look your attempts for BT's bio over? I find it helps to have a sounding board/beta-reader/whatever


QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Nov 16 2011, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Osprey is indeed awesome. Great design and a great name too.


Thanks Corvus!

You should love him even more when I say that Osprey's -dad- was a masked hero too. By the name of Corvus.

Corvus was, in fact, the inspiration for Osprey's costume. Osprey had no idea he was using his dad for inspiration.

Fun fact! Osprey's mom is also a former hero, by the name of Valkyrie.

as I told SmokedToast when I was first telling him about Osprey. "Osprey is sorta like "what if Bruce Wayne and Princess Diana married and had a kid, and that kid was Dick Grayson". That's Osprey for ya" ^^

I do hope I'm not rambling. I'm just very ... excited, or energetic... to get back into the superhero-ing thing

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 08:44 PM

I figured Ally would be an associate member in the same sense as Osprey. Technically he's also a probationary member, but with the creation of the dead enders and the responsibilities that got put on him... lol... icon-hotrod.gif
That reminds me, I should rewrite his revised bio now. It's... changed around a bit, a little less golden age as his former one had been.

Yes, I'm working with those sort of sprites now. :p

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 16 2011, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(SoS @ Nov 15 2011, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Solaredge

Abilities:
- Genius-level Intellect
- Photographic Memory
- Martial Arts Adaptability (able to learn any form of fighting style)

His personality is a mixture of Batman and Spider-Man.

Few criticisms there:
For someone with the word "solar" in his name, he is very, very dark.
Also, I hate hate hate hate hate these "learn anything" types as heroes. It's a trope that works for a villain, like Taskmaster, because it makes a challenge for the hero, but when you slap it on a hero, like GIJoe's Agent Helix, it results in a god-moder.

I'll agree to the criticisms, I created this character when I was in elementary school and really haven't worked on him since. I originally had named him Sombra (Shadow), then changed it to Solo. Heck I only slapped the name Solaredge because I was unable to use his original name on the DCUO game.

His profile and abilities are not set in stone, like I said I created that guy in elementary school. The last piece of drawing I have for him is from probably from middle school. So I'm open for any advise and ideas you guys, who have been doing this more frequently and far longer than I, to help me flex him out.


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Posted 25 November 2011 - 11:37 AM

Ursa, just wanted to let you know I went ahead and created the Omega Guardians on Star Wars: The Old Republic as well. Didn't want non-Allspark members snatching up the name. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 03:01 AM

Maybe Galvat can be considered an associate member?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 03:23 AM

I... have no idea. From the way things seem to be headed, Pulse is liable to end up either joining The Show or remaining more or less solo... she's also my only superhero right now. Not that I don't have ideas, but there's so many awesome heroes that it's hard not to step on people's toes. icon-wildride.gif




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Posted 26 November 2011 - 04:40 AM

nonsense, put your ideas out there and see what happens icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE(SoS @ Nov 16 2011, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll agree to the criticisms, I created this character when I was in elementary school and really haven't worked on him since. I originally had named him Sombra (Shadow), then changed it to Solo. Heck I only slapped the name Solaredge because I was unable to use his original name on the DCUO game.

His profile and abilities are not set in stone, like I said I created that guy in elementary school. The last piece of drawing I have for him is from probably from middle school. So I'm open for any advise and ideas you guys, who have been doing this more frequently and far longer than I, to help me flex him out.

Well, feel free to hit me up on PM, AIM or MSN and I'll be more than happy to help you flesh him out.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE(Mewberry Cake @ Nov 26 2011, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I... have no idea. From the way things seem to be headed, Pulse is liable to end up either joining The Show or remaining more or less solo... she's also my only superhero right now. Not that I don't have ideas, but there's so many awesome heroes that it's hard not to step on people's toes. icon-wildride.gif


well, it's hard NOT to be awesome when you have Osprey's sense of style when it comes to one's crime fighting attired XD

seriously though, I love Pulse. She's a fun character, I love her background! Don't sell yourself short!!

I also agree with Admiral Lilwall! If you got more ideas, share them! We're friends here, if you need help with a half-baked idea... we'll help fully bake it!!

Edited by Strike, 28 November 2011 - 07:13 PM.

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