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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#101 Spark

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:16 AM

Yeah, fill what you can, don't worry about the rest. That's what Chris McFeely is for.


Looking at the list, I do question whether a couple of these can't just be Wikipedia redirects, like Hudson Soft. I know why Hudson Soft is listed so much, but I don't see a reason for it to have TFWiki page. Same goes for Traveler's Tales, Scotti Bros. Records, etc.

Edited by Spark, 17 December 2011 - 01:26 AM.

Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:54 PM

Went to see if anything was up yet for Rescue Bots, and noted the usual "don't post anything yet" flag.

Thing is, this seemingly included the notes & trivia section as well.


What's the official policy on wait time for cartoon fiction?

The page explaining the policy only refers to the live-action movies and the fan club comics.


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Posted 17 December 2011 - 04:21 PM

Any media released to the general public (such as new comic books or cartoons) can be added to the site immediately. The only caveat is that a SPOILERS bar be included for the first 30 days so that people know to avoid it if they wish.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 04:28 PM

I'm not really good with editing the wiki...
I wanted to offer the insight that today I picked up a Walmart Black Friday PCC Over-Run pack that was bundled with Steelshot. This combination isn't listed yet.

http://tfwiki.net/wi.../Over-Run_(PCC)
http://tfwiki.net/wi..._Core_Combiners
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Dec 17 2011, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any media released to the general public (such as new comic books or cartoons) can be added to the site immediately. The only caveat is that a SPOILERS bar be included for the first 30 days so that people know to avoid it if they wish.

And as a side note, when you do add spoilery information, make sure the spoilers aren't in the edit summary.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Dec 18 2011, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Went to see if anything was up yet for Rescue Bots, and noted the usual "don't post anything yet" flag.

Thing is, this seemingly included the notes & trivia section as well.

The episodes have screened, so the "coming soons" can be removed and we can start adding to them.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 09:43 PM

I added two missing PCC Black Friday combo packs:

1. Double Clutch with Rallybots and Huffer with Caliburst
2. Crankcase with Destructicons and Sledge with Throttler

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 08:39 PM

Does this (plus this) count as evidence that Takashi Kunihiro designed Cybertron Optimus Prime?

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:16 AM

Yep.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 04:12 AM

Is there a page that the one odd blue Classics Bumblebee repaint from a year or so ago shows up on? Or did that turn out to be a KO?

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 04:19 AM

Which is preferred for a stock image on a page when a toy comes in a multi-pack/gift set: Singular, or with every toy in the pack? Or do we just do the group shot stock photo until M Sipher posts his toy or something by itself?

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 04:49 AM

QUOTE(Blot @ Dec 20 2011, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which is preferred for a stock image on a page when a toy comes in a multi-pack/gift set: Singular, or with every toy in the pack? Or do we just do the group shot stock photo until M Sipher posts his toy or something by itself?

Hah.

My rule is always the individual... IF the toy is unique to that pack. If the toy is the same as an individual release, then I go for an in-package shot.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE(Wingus @ Dec 20 2011, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a page that the one odd blue Classics Bumblebee repaint from a year or so ago shows up on? Or did that turn out to be a KO?

I can't find any more info about it on Google other than "we found these pictures and no one knows what it is"...

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 05:56 PM

Someone asked Hasbro about it at a BotCon and they said it wasn't theirs.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 06:13 PM

And they were not forthcoming with any other information.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Dec 20 2011, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Someone asked Hasbro about it at a BotCon and they said it wasn't theirs.


And since it was basically a palette swap of Henkei Bumblebee, that answer is hardly surprising.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:06 PM

For those of you who got (for yourselves or your kids) any TF-related costume items, please double-check the manufacturer if you still have the packaging.

I've got a flashlight set from a company known as Disguise that I'm about to go do a page for, and according to the Disguise website they've got a three-year contract with Hasbro to produce actual TF costumes.

Given this, I'm going to go ahead and stub out a page for Disguise itself.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:15 PM

Any idea what franchise (if any) Racer and Racer should go in?

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE(Starfield @ Dec 22 2011, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any idea what franchise (if any) Racer and Racer should go in?


Since they were a DOTM tie-in, wouldn't they be in with DOTM?
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Dec 22 2011, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Starfield @ Dec 22 2011, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any idea what franchise (if any) Racer and Racer should go in?


Since they were a DOTM tie-in, wouldn't they be in with DOTM?

They didn't say Dark of the Moon. So I don't know.




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