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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Hydra

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:39 AM

e-HOBBY has posted a Museum article on their 2004 G1 GoBots exclusives.
There are some cool details for those with sharp eyes. icon-ironhide.gif

http://www.e-hobbyma...un_en/2194.html

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:19 AM

Sweeeeeeet~

This set is in my e-hobby top 5 list. I love it not just because I'm getting some minibots in funky colors, but also because of the thought that was put in the story behind it.

You are probably not allowed to disclose such information, Hydra, but I'm curious: are these G1 GoBots getting a re-release like Sunstorm did? Are there OTHER G1 GoBots coming our way from e-hobby?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:24 AM

Nice recreation of the art there. icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:10 AM

Huh, so now e-Hobby is no longer scared of identifying the individual toys by name?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 07:22 AM

I like the Spy Changers tie-in.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:06 AM

This is one of the best eHobby exclusives of all.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:12 AM

Yup!

Not just because it opened the door to the Gobot invasion. It was because it combined the Gobot invasion with the miscolored toys in the old catalogs. So they ended up in a double dip of goodness rather than just being Hasbro toys repainted as Bandai toys.

Something which I think a lot of fan-suggestions for Gobot repaints overlook.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:54 AM

QUOTE(Meister79 @ Nov 7 2011, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is one of the best eHobby exclusives of all.

I agree and some of the most expensive. Pathfinder was the only one I ever thought to be a bit on the boring side due to being similar to Cosmos.

I would like these color schemes applied to more modern figures as well (we do have Bugbite afterall).

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:02 AM

So these guys are retroactively the first group "on Cybertron" to use the name Gobots, but they led to the Spychangers rather than... the Gobots. Of course, it's possible (likely) that the G2 Gobots bridge the gap, but there's only so many permutations of a thing you can squeeze into one paragraph.

I wonder what the story is for the guy actually named Gobots now...

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 7 2011, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder what the story is for the guy actually named Gobots now...


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:52 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 7 2011, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder what the story is for the guy actually named Gobots now...

What Lukeblast doesn't know is that he's about to be recruited into GI Joe under the codename "Transformers."

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:09 AM

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Their colorings were based on unreleased recolors featured in an American catalog, but it seems that their names and characters originate elsewhere?


Didn't they originate in a Japanese catalog?

http://tfwiki.net/wi...botscatalog.jpg

http://tfwiki.net/wi...apanese-cat.jpg

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:51 AM

Hmm, pretty sure some of the planning documents said an American catalog,
but that does seem to be the catalog in question, and darned if it's not Japanese. That can
be changed in the article.

Keep in mind, these were the same planning documents that originally had the chars.
labeled as Bath Finder and Bat Boy. ^^

Good eyes, Monzo. Thanks for your suggestions, BTW.
As for the GoBots, I'm not aware there are any plans to resissue them.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:00 AM

Maybe the G2 Gobots have been retroactively renamed Spy Changers? Or did these guys lead to the invention of the G1 Spy CHangers that had Optimus, Prowl, Jazz, Wheeljack, Hoist, etc?

Edited by mignash, 07 November 2011 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:02 AM

'Bath Finder' sounds like a seedy phone App, and I won't even comment on 'Bath Boy'.


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:14 AM

I would presume that the Spychangers were the eventual result of their technology?
However, keep in mind that in the unified Japanese animated continuity, the events of Car Robots precede G2 by decades,
so the Spy Changers would have apparently come first.

And it was BAT Boy. You know, like in baseball, I guess? I know Japanese people loves baths and all, but...

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Nov 7 2011, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Nov 7 2011, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder what the story is for the guy actually named Gobots now...
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QUOTE(Hydra @ Nov 7 2011, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would presume that the Spychangers were the eventual result of their technology?
However, keep in mind that in the unified Japanese animated continuity, the events of Car Robots precede G2 by decades,so the Spy Changers would have apparently come first.

Ah, good observation. I keep forgetting that the fiction isn't linear with toy release.

Makes a lot of sense then that after the success of the Spychangers, a bunch of guys would be created (and/or RE-created) in that vein. Somewhere along the line then, "Gobots" was reattached to the group or maybe a sub-group of the Spychangers.

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And it was BAT Boy. You know, like in baseball, I guess?

Or those crazy Gobots just love their tabloids...


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:40 PM

http://tfwiki.net/wi...botscatalog.jpg

I think Paul Hitchens has a larger version of that pic.

He also has... package art of the jets in those colors? Sadly, Wayback Machine doesn't have the images, only the text.
http://web.archive.o...s/g1_protos.htm

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

The package art for those proto-coneheads appeared on both one of the Japanese laserdisc sets and in a random J-G1 guidebook. I made scans from the latter, which are... uh... somewhere...

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:18 PM

I really wish I'd bought that set.

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