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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just


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#741 Detour

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:20 PM

VARIANTS!
http://generalsjoes....nough-variants/

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

Oh, that is crazy as hell.

*looks at custom T'gin-Zu*

It's okay, Daddy still loves you... kinda...

Man, I wonder what I could repurpose that Snake Eyes as. The colors just pop for me, but I don't need yet another SE.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 23 2012, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

INSANITY!

I don't get them, unless they are prototypes or Hasbro will get squirrely and send BOTH sets of figures out to retail. The only two I'm interested in are the green Snake Eyes and grey Duke. I know there is a joke to be made about an assortment of figures where Hasbro sends TWO colors of the same core characters out at the same time.
Already got a "comic" Cobra Commander...4 years ago and with more deco. Never cared for "comic" Cobra Troopers to begin with.


Also, new trailer due tommorrow, Hisstank has the ET preview up: revealing that the old President is still alive.

And I just pieced together the entire GI Joe Retaliation plot....

Edited by Steevy Maximus, 23 April 2012 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:06 PM

All I want is the green SE (nice color combo, very Reptile), and green Shipwreck (good base for anyone). T'ginzu is okay. Duke, CC and the trooper are easy passes, but the Cobra colors are nice and bright.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

Gray Duke repurpose?

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:52 PM

Curse you, Luke! Now I'll have to get it!

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:48 PM

Whew, not working on me. icon-fire.gif I want another wave of these -- different existing molds! Make me some new-sculpt-era guys!


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:14 AM

That's what the Shipwreck is! icon-waspy.gif
(also we're getting a VvV-inspired Kamakura in the Retaliation line)

I wouldn't mind seeing something inspired by the CLAWS and the Neo-Vipers from JvC. The unreleased Iron Klaw head would work nicely on the former.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:05 AM

QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Apr 23 2012, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 23 2012, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

INSANITY!

I don't get them, unless they are prototypes or Hasbro will get squirrely and send BOTH sets of figures out to retail. The only two I'm interested in are the green Snake Eyes and grey Duke. I know there is a joke to be made about an assortment of figures where Hasbro sends TWO colors of the same core characters out at the same time.
Already got a "comic" Cobra Commander...4 years ago and with more deco. Never cared for "comic" Cobra Troopers to begin with.


Also, new trailer due tommorrow, Hisstank has the ET preview up: revealing that the old President is still alive.

And I just pieced together the entire GI Joe Retaliation plot....


If they're really discount store specials it could be as simple as some for Dollar Generals, some for Family Dollar, some for Big Lots... who knows. I think it'd be hilarious if they just kept releasing these four figures in different colors at 3 bucks a pop.

 
 
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:38 AM

QUOTE(Dake @ Apr 24 2012, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If they're really discount store specials it could be as simple as some for Dollar Generals, some for Family Dollar, some for Big Lots... who knows. I think it'd be hilarious if they just kept releasing these four figures in different colors at 3 bucks a pop.


I can actually see that.

Shipwreck:
*Yellow beard + machine gun + olive uniform = Rock & Roll
*Red beard + laptop + olive uniform = Ton-Up

Cobra Commander:
*Red uniform = v. 21

Officer:
*Bright blue = Brazilian version
*Black w/ new logos = Hunter

Snake-Eyes:
*Desert camo = v. 21
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 23 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's what the Shipwreck is! icon-waspy.gif
(also we're getting a VvV-inspired Kamakura in the Retaliation line)

I wouldn't mind seeing something inspired by the CLAWS and the Neo-Vipers from JvC. The unreleased Iron Klaw head would work nicely on the former.


Oh, right, Shipwreck! Absolutely, more stuff like that would be sweet [I dig the green one, as that cableknit sweater would look good on anyone]. icon-fire.gif The Retaliation Kamakura is all right, but not quite there in my eyes [shade of green is juuust a bit off].

But yeah, the Cobra CLAWS and Neo-Viper designs were cool. I would also like to see a General Philip Rey, Venomous Maximus, Skull Buster etc. Those would probably need new parts, though [VM more than Rey]. A lot of other Devil's Due characters would be nice to see, as well.

[Also, as I'm a sucker for clear plastic, I'd like to see an Electric E.E.L.]


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:24 PM

The more I look at the Storm Shadow from the Renegades 4-pack, the more it reminds me of Sigma Six Storm Shadow.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

OK... where am I supposed to find these, and when do they come out?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

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OK... where am I supposed to find these,

Dollar stores.

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and when do they come out?

Supposedly they're out already in the Philippines.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

I got my Footloose today... kind of a bummer.

The body itself feels okay. There's not a lot of ways to go wrong with a generic jungle camo body. The head and helmet are from last year's Claymore, which was kind of obvious but... I dunno, doesn't feel as special now. Part of it I think is in the goofy hippie surfer personality of Footloose, while the face is... well, it's still Tom Selleck, but not a sarcastic Magnum P.I.-style. This is stone-cold killer Tom Selleck, and it just isn't feeling enough like the character to really get a pass out of me.

Then there's the gear. The webgear, specifically. It doesn't fit. There's really no getting around the fact that it just doesn't fit the figure. It sits above the belt and looks awful. If you do manage to pull it down to the proper place... the back is a Y-shape with the center directly over the backpack hole. There's no way to have him wear the backpack without messing up the webgear.

The backpack itself is nice. I like that they included the flashlight that fits into it. The rifle and pistol feel a bit bland, but not bad. The bazooka I'm not really feeling. I know it's something the original had, but I was never sure why. I guess I shouldn't complain about getting more accessories though. I like the inclusion of the shell. Like the flashlight, I could have seen them passing it over.

And can I just say how annoying it is to see the Club continuing to use "CODE NAME" on the stands when Hasbro stopped doing that in 2009? If the name is going to be on the stand it should be cohesive, and it's OCD-triggering to get two different presentations from two different sources.

Anyway... the overall problem that I'm having here is that the figure doesn't feel special. There are a few problem areas, and the more you think about how those could have been changed, the more obvious it becomes that this is really just a generic soldier in a line that puts those in every other wave. There's a number of preexisting camo bodies and mustached heads that could have been pressed into service years ago, and I'm not really seeing how this is something to get excited about.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

It did seem problematic to me when they developed such an identifiable face. It's cool to have a Tom Selleck and all but now we have two...
 
 
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:40 PM

Yeah, I'm not a fan.


I'll stick to my Battle Rangers-inspired LBC:

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:48 AM

FINALLY got the Renegades Storm Shadow!

Great sculpt and costume interchangeability, but I wish all those teenie weenie accessories had some place to store them. And that lone dart has officially dethroned Low-Light's lone bullet as most frustratingly loseable accessory ever.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:57 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 24 2012, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The more I look at the Storm Shadow from the Renegades 4-pack, the more it reminds me of Sigma Six Storm Shadow.


Good call, yeah that makes sense. Wish he had red legs, too, as that particular one was one of the more prevalent versions I kept seeing. Plus it's kind of different as SS's go.

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Apr 25 2012, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a number of preexisting camo bodies and mustached heads that could have been pressed into service years ago, and I'm not really seeing how this is something to get excited about.


I did pretty much that to make my own Footloose and an improved Lt. Falcon.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

What exactly is the Cobra Commander variant here? I thought the normal dollar store version was black...
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