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@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.


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#41 TM2 Dinobot

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:19 AM

The shorthand here is that they are magic'd, one way or another.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:20 AM

I like Luna. Clearly they need to get rid of all the other characters and just have it about her.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 22 2011, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The shorthand here is that they are magic'd, one way or another.


They could just be magiced from rats or something, though. Even Twilight could do that, though the "horses" she created from mice seemed to be in rather poor taste, judging by her friend's reactions.

It'd take a pretty badass pony to volunteer for that duty; or maybe it's just part of the job for those Pegasi who usually cart Celestia around.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 22 October 2011 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE(Unfair Fight @ Oct 22 2011, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like Luna. Clearly they need to get rid of all the other characters and just have it about her.


I'd be all for 'The Luna and Scootaloo Show'

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:30 AM

I expect Nightmare Night is celebrated every year, but the NMM's actual appearance was forgotten/corrupted over time (the statue in this ep could well have been overgrown and lost in the Everfree) and the true meaning lost. They may even had something akin to Santa Claus as an icon for Nightmare Night by the time of the series start (i.e. how Santa is not even remotely like baby Jesus in appearance). And if anyone thought to make the connection in S1E1, they were too freaked out by the reality to mention it.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:31 AM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 22 2011, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pocket @ Oct 22 2011, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This episode must have been hell for the animators. All the background ponies, even the palette swap ones, had their own unique costumes. I didn't see Lyra anywhere though. Did anyone else happen to notice her?


It was a lot of work, but all the late nights were worth it. Lyra actually shows up in 2 different costumes, the pony in the mummy costume is Lyra. There is also one scene with the town running in terror where she's not in the mummy costume and is wearing a bonnet (I think one of the other artists just took her running from one of the other episodes and added the bonnet in afterwards).


Ah. I thought the Mummy looked too blue to be Lyra so figured it was Romana Colgate, showing up for the party twice.


I might need to adjust my TV's color settings.

Edited by Scavgraphics, 22 October 2011 - 11:34 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:31 AM

Has anyone mentioned the return of the tennis player pony from Call Of The Cutie?

Edit: apparently so. I need to be quicker...

Edited by LoomX, 22 October 2011 - 11:32 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:34 AM

So this is the second Lyra appearance Nayuki mentioned (found the screenshot on Ponibooru):



Yeah, it's Lyra from Over A Barrel.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:39 AM

Pip seems to be like Wesley Crusher; you either love him or want to see him thrown at the nearest convenient neutron star or black hole.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 22 October 2011 - 11:39 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Oct 22 2011, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this is the second Lyra appearance Nayuki mentioned (found the screenshot on Ponibooru):



Yeah, it's Lyra from Over A Barrel.
But what's wrong with her eye? It looks like there's a reflection of the silhouette of Night Mare flipped.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:42 AM

1080p is up. http://www.youtube.c...nel_video_title
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:46 AM

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:58 AM

I don't care either which way for Pip. I just don't want him to over-shadow the CMC.

QUOTE(Kein @ Oct 22 2011, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, since no one noticed:


Nayuki, I don't think you know this answer I guess I should ask Raven but still... why did you change Rarity to Carrot Top?
If you look at the mane, however, that doesn't look anything like Rarity. It's too short in the front and the back.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:58 AM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 22 2011, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kein @ Oct 22 2011, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pocket @ Oct 22 2011, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh. Also, I can't take credit for catching this, but is Pipsqueak the other character in the balloon in the Comic-Con poster?

nope, Nayuki already mentioned it.


Wait, what? Are you implying that I denied that Pipsqueak was balloon character or that I confirmed he was? I don't think I've done either yet. Well either way, I will now.

Pipsqueak IS the comic-con balloon character (minus the pirate costume of course).


You mean it WASNT an alligator? icon-screamer.gif

Or is Pip an alligator?

PIP'S AN ALLIGATOR? icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Oct 22 2011, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, since no one noticed:


Nayuki, I don't think you know this answer I guess I should ask Raven but still... why did you change Rarity to Carrot Top?



Fanon influence or happy coincidence? Either was it's cool to see that even on the show Derpy is causing problems for Carrot Top. At least the contents of her fridge are safe... for now.

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 22 2011, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pipsqueak IS the comic-con balloon character (minus the pirate costume of course).

And at last the mystery can be put to rest.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:04 PM

Carrot Top and Derpy actually in a scene together on the show; that's pretty cool. The only thing I would've maybe liked even more is seeing Derpy taking Dinky trick-or-treating in the background of some shot. That firefighter costume of Dinky's is pretty adorable.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 22 2011, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kein @ Oct 22 2011, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nayuki, I don't think you know this answer I guess I should ask Raven but still... why did you change Rarity to Carrot Top?


Rarity was in an early version of the script/storyboards (the leaked image was from one of the early storyboards), but was later cut out due to time constraints in the episode (only so much you can fit in 22 minutes). It's not my place to go into details, but her sequence was the least important for Luna's story so it was the best place to trim things down.

Don't worry Rarity fans, next episode has plenty of marshmellowy goodness.


Aw...we missed out on not only a Rarity/Luna scene but a Rarity/Derpy scene? icon-screamer.gif Stupid clock!

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:27 PM

I guess Rarity sharing voice actors with Luna had something to do with the lack of Rarity too.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:44 PM

No pony's mentioned Raggedy Cake and Andy Cake.


And we missed one monstrously, ginormous big fluke.


Twilight, Applejack and Spike saw the truth and are speechless.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 22 2011, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pipsqueak IS the comic-con balloon character (minus the pirate costume of course).

Sweet. Funny how the people vectoring the poster won't get to actually put him in until his next appearance, since we haven't seen him out of costume and with his cap on yet.
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