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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#61 DINOBOT SLUDGE

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

That is assuming the demand for the Green ones was elastic and not flat. Which it was likely pretty flat.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:47 AM

I'm very torn - on the one hand, it does look pretty good, and Classics PMOP is #1 of my list of figures that I would kill for.

That being said, I have two concerns that prevent me from plopping down money for a pre-order:

1) Xovergen's last product sucked. Sorry, but it really did.

2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

I'll wait for the reviews before I make a final judgement, but i'm definitely interested.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


Yeah, same here.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.


It's being all things for just me. I'll probably buy 3.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

well I just measured and Powermaster Prime requires 2 1/4" of depth to lock into the original trailer... measuring from the arm hinges to the edges of the rear wheels ... G1 Prime, takes up the same amount of depth measuring from the edge of the dicast cab section to the back of the rear tires when the legs are folded up in a similar manner to PMPrime.

Classics prime (with the legs down as shown) is 3" even from the yellow arm accents to the front grill... with the gun/stacks attached adds another 1/4" so he sicks out an entire inch more already ...

yeah, there's just no way to avoid the big blue buttflap using the classics mold icon-screamer.gif

now my next question is... Will there be fold out trailer hitches so I can connect this between the G3 trailer and the TFCON Powered Commander set ? O_o because I will put down a preorder NOW to ensure that monstrawesome convoy
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:47 AM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


BBTS did, finally, break up sets. And in short order dropped the price on the green one to something like $40-50 for varous clearance sales, which they appear to have done well on, since that's sold out, but they've got one Red and Blue still for sale ($90), and 11 of the original sets ($180).

http://www.bigbadtoy...search=xovergen

I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

This looks a lot simpler than Rolling Thunder was, and hopefully these guys have learned something, but I remain skeptical until it's reviewed. And they reevaluate their price and distribution structure.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:05 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 17 2012, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

I would echo everything about this, save still having it. I found a suckergood friend willing to buy it off me at cost.

I really wanted to like it... in theory a Rolling Thunder Prime is everything that I should like. But it was just horribly done and took up so much space on the shelf that I eventually couldn't stand it anymore.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:15 PM

Hopefully they've learned that quality is very "make or break" with these things as far as word of mouth goes, but it does worry me that this is trying to do too many things at once. I wouldn't mind it looking just a little more beefy, but if this is well-made, it would be a pretty welcome collection piece. A G1-style Powermaster Prime with all the bells and whistles is one of those things that I still can't help but think is really unlikely to get from Hasbro.

Edited by Jeremy, 17 March 2012 - 07:17 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Mar 17 2012, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully they've learned that quality is very "make or break" with these things as far as word of mouth goes, but it does worry me that this is trying to do too many things at once. I wouldn't mind it looking just a little more beefy, but if this is well-made, it would be a pretty welcome collection piece. A G1-style Powermaster Prime with all the bells and whistles is one of those things that I still can't help but think is really unlikely to get from Hasbro.


What's the deal with cheap plastic, anyway? The cheapo knockoffs use it, I guess, because they couldn't care less. But is there anything about different kinds of plastic that would require different equipment? Can Xovergen just run good plastic through their Rolling Thunder molds and get better Rolling Thunders? Or is there more to it?


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

Rolling Thunders problems won't be solved by just changing the plastics. There's just a lot of unfortunate design decisions (There's just no fix for that thing hanging off his back without a full redesign), things that should peg together but don't (aka, the entire trailer in every mode and combination possible), and just tolerances all around.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:00 AM

The robot mode looks fine, but the alt mode looks like.. uh... nurflgrpft. And it's not really a good TF toy to me when one of the modes is basically an afterthought.

Add the huge price tag (I can't bring myself to type "potentially huge" when it is basically guaranteed to be) and the big likelihood of bad quality, and I'm out before there was ever an In.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:20 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


BBTS did, finally, break up sets. And in short order dropped the price on the green one to something like $40-50 for varous clearance sales, which they appear to have done well on, since that's sold out, but they've got one Red and Blue still for sale ($90), and 11 of the original sets ($180).

http://www.bigbadtoy...search=xovergen

I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

This looks a lot simpler than Rolling Thunder was, and hopefully these guys have learned something, but I remain skeptical until it's reviewed. And they reevaluate their price and distribution structure.



QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Mar 17 2012, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 17 2012, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

I would echo everything about this, save still having it. I found a suckergood friend willing to buy it off me at cost.

I really wanted to like it... in theory a Rolling Thunder Prime is everything that I should like. But it was just horribly done and took up so much space on the shelf that I eventually couldn't stand it anymore.

Thanks for these, I think I'll just take this thing off the want list altogether then. But I'll keep my eye on trailerforce for now.

Edited by Asquian, 18 March 2012 - 08:20 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

Honestly, there was nothing especially wrong with charging what they did for a figure of that size, or even for one that might have ended up smaller. That's not unreasonable for a custom product with a limited run. It's just their engineering really fell down.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:20 AM

Most of the price complaints are two-fold; The quality is not worth what they charged, and their insistance at selling a pair of them.

Even if it had been Fansproject-quality, the requirement of buying two of these things for a total cost of $180 was not a wise decision. Just like how FunPub couldn't sell off their Astrotrains on a "Buy one, get one free basis"; They only sold when they finally halved the price in general.

There are odd collectors who want (and can afford) duplicates of big-ticket items like that, but they are not the majority of the consumer-base for these things.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

Yeah, this is another sticking point for me. I'd prefer that a company just pick one Prime, whether it be the Classics deluxe or voyager, I don't care either way, and do it well. We already know Xovergen can't deliver on something overly ambitious, so why do the same thing again?

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Mar 18 2012, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly, there was nothing especially wrong with charging what they did for a figure of that size, or even for one that might have ended up smaller. That's not unreasonable for a custom product with a limited run. It's just their engineering really fell down.

I think the general impression was that Xovergen seemed to be cutting corners to wring every last penny from that price and it backfired.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 19 2012, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

Yeah, this is another sticking point for me. I'd prefer that a company just pick one Prime, whether it be the Classics deluxe or voyager, I don't care either way, and do it well. We already know Xovergen can't deliver on something overly ambitious, so why do the same thing again?


I kinda wonder how far in advance they planned it, or if while doing the planning they realized that G1 and PM Prime would also fit in the space? Almost like how G1 fitting in the original wasn't planned, but ends up working.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 06:49 AM

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:41 AM

gotta admit that thing does *look* pretty spiffy

here's hoping the quality doesnt suck



[and if it doesnt i hope they're wanting to do a godbomber-like add on kit. that thing would look sweet with some beefed up lower legs, a new chest piece, and some epic wings]

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:04 PM

I am disappointed by the colors matching the Henkie Toy rather than the Classics toy but only a little bit because I may not even get this.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.




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