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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:39 AM

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where;s the best online site to watch walking dead ?

Itunes or Amazon?

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 12:11 PM

The other reason to watch shows on DVD is that you can just bust through them at a good pace. I watched the first season of Walking Dead online in a matter of a week. After the first few season 2 eps, I saved the last 3 and watched them in one sitting. For LOST or 24 this also worked very well. Some shows are just better when you watch them in bigger chunks, because the episode-by-episode structure just makes you hate them for dragging things out.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 04:38 PM

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The other reason to watch shows on DVD is that you can just bust through them at a good pace. I watched the first season of Walking Dead online in a matter of a week. After the first few season 2 eps, I saved the last 3 and watched them in one sitting. For LOST or 24 this also worked very well. Some shows are just better when you watch them in bigger chunks, because the episode-by-episode structure just makes you hate them for dragging things out.


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Posted 15 December 2011 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE(The Predaking @ Dec 15 2011, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(DJ Soundwave @ Dec 15 2011, 03:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
where;s the best online site to watch walking dead ?

Itunes or Amazon?


Season 1 is on netflix.. there might be some on AMC as well.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 05:19 PM

Yeah, not enough zombies. The new humans were neat, as was the entire bar scene. It just goes to show why Rick is awesome and the leader.

Lori, and her wreck, I couldn't care less about. She shouldn't have went off alone, nor should she have been driving and looking at the map.

The Daughter, with a fever and being bed ridden, I am betting is infected. No way its a coincidence. I just think its weird that no one else is saying anything about it. Shouldn't they have seen this before?

Shane, I still don't see as a negative character. Sure he was harsh, but it took that to finally get Hershal to realize what was going on. So far the only things that he did that were negative is passively aggressively threaten Dale and shoot/leave Otis as bait. And for that last one, he was willing himself to stay, but Otis wouldn't leave him.

On Talking Dead, Dave Navarro gets on to the executive producer about the first half and this episode seem to drag on and not enough zombies are around. His response was that this episode was to show the reaction of the characters after the mid season cliffhanger, and afterwards it would ramp up on Zombie action.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE(The Predaking @ Feb 13 2012, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Daughter, with a fever and being bed ridden, I am betting is infected. No way its a coincidence. I just think its weird that no one else is saying anything about it. Shouldn't they have seen this before?


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Beth's having a pretty standard delayed shock reaction. If it is the infection, I'm curious as to how she got it. I watched the scene with her mother pretty closely and zombie mom didn't get a bite in. If she had, there would have been an obvious injury, which Beth lacked.

Anyway, for an episode with only two zombies and a whole lotta talking, this was actually less disappointing and boring than I initially feared it would be. See y'all next week.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:49 AM

Looks like TWD is back to kicking ass in the ratings.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

It was an okay episode, but splitting up the season hurts it , as it has very little punch as a "premier", even a mid-season premier. The bar scene was nice, but in all honesty...that was about it. I agree Lori's car crash didn't really convey the desired impact, and I'm finding I care about her character less and less. Carl's starting to be slightly more interesting, but only slightly, and I'm ready for Dale to just die...

Also I can't believe how many stupid things Andrea does in this episode...even if you think all the walkers are gone/ dead...they had JUST shown how dumb of an assumption that was, and she walks into the barn by herself with no visible weapon...how does she know there aren't any more walkers lurking in there? I'm not riding on the back of the tailgate with them either...dead or not.

This is also rapidly becoming a zombie show without any zombies. I know, "it's not about the zombies"/ We get that, but you really need some zombies, or it gets boring fast.

Still, I think this ep was better than pretty much the whole first half of season 2. I'm also wondering how much truth there really was in anything the guys in the bar told Rick, and how much they were just fishing for info. Maybe this is setting up an into for the Governor? not counting on it, but I'd like SOMETHING interesting to happen...





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Posted 18 February 2012 - 04:50 PM

It happened too fast for me but was the guy in the bar really was reaching for his gun? So Rick was right to shoot him? That bar scene was intense and it was just the conversation.

Shane tried to rape Lori when he was drunk and he did put Rick in his gun scope sights once.

A friend said that Glenn put on some muscle. I don't quite see it.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 05:39 PM


It's somehow cathartic to have every single character in this show each have their own moment to say that the entire first half if this season was a stupid pointless mistake.

I can sort of see more drama coming, but still this was a heavily fast-forwardable episode

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Feb 18 2012, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It happened too fast for me but was the guy in the bar really was reaching for his gun? So Rick was right to shoot him? That bar scene was intense and it was just the conversation.

Shane tried to rape Lori when he was drunk and he did put Rick in his gun scope sights once.

A friend said that Glenn put on some muscle. I don't quite see it.

Yeah, I didn't see it until I watched the replay it happens very fast but he goes for his gun, and the other guy just seemed to be setting of warning signs the whole time.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:31 PM

Indeed he DOES go for his gun, right after chuckling and saying "This guy...", and so Rick blows him away, and then blows away Mr "I'll kill you and take blah blah blah".

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE(The Predaking @ Feb 13 2012, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lori, and her wreck, I couldn't care less about. She shouldn't have went off alone, nor should she have been driving and looking at the map.


QUOTE(Nebucron @ Feb 15 2012, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree Lori's car crash didn't really convey the desired impact, and I'm finding I care about her character less and less.

Pretty much this.

After I saw her wreck I said that she is officially the stupidest person on the show. She had absolutely no business going after them in the first place!
I think this whole car accident is just a plot device for her to lose the baby and have no moral qualms brought up about it by the other characters or the audience.
Personally speaking as a new father, I do believe that keeping the baby would be the biggest mistake ever. A screaming newborn or crabby infant are going to be nothing but a big "dinner bell" for any walkers in the area.



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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

When her car wrecked I said "Haha.. her blinker is on" so I guess it didn't have much impact on me either.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 12:36 PM

Well, the entire thing was just stupid anyway, they could have written in a bit better reason that she needed to run off. Basically Rick and Glenn are sent go to look for Hershel, knowing where he's probably at, and suddenly she needs to go look for Rick?
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 02:32 PM

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Well, the entire thing was just stupid anyway, they could have written in a bit better reason that she needed to run off. Basically Rick and Glenn are sent go to look for Hershel, knowing where he's probably at, and suddenly she needs to go look for Rick?

I was yelling at the tv for her ridiculous reason to run off so quickly. They were barely gone. Also how stupidly she was driving, emphasizing that point even more *with* the windows rolled down.

The bar scene was probably the best scene in the show. When the guy took a leak *inside* with them, that pretty much told Rick all he needed to know, the comment about looking for women backing that up even further about how these survivors were surviving.

Edit: I think the other group is going to find Lori.

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I'm gonna have to admit it. This episode was pretty badass. It made me finally like Hershel.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:51 PM

So the set-up with Lori last week was just a way of allowing for zombie action this week. Bleh. Though, to be honest, the zombie losing it's face to the windshield was pretty cool.

Meanwhile, I'm guessing they leave the farm at the end of the season. Yeesh.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:43 PM

I thought the barn thing was what would have gotten them evicted from the farm. Interesting that it hasn't, and that Rick and Hershel seem to be fast friends.

Shane is still a bit too over the top, and Dale is getting more annoying. Most of the other characters are being better though, because they're doing a lot less sitting around and ruminating. All the stuff in town was solid.

Lori's whole car thing was just plain dumb. When it went airborne, it was like the writers were shouting "We don't know what we're doing with this character WHHHHHEEEE!"

Overall, it still bugs me how safe the farm is overall. Having a genuinely safe home base that's worth them thinking about protecting and "going to war" over just doesn't feel realistic enough for the direness of the situation. It's easier to produce for TV by staying in one place, sure, but it doesn't seem to be serving the story after this long. It'd be better if they kept on the move, finding interesting things week to week, and giving us a look at the world at large, revealed bit by bit.

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