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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#181 Lizard King

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

I think Shane will smother the wounded kid in his sleep.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:10 AM

Tonights episode was slightly more interesting, but still no plot progression

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:57 AM

So yeah...a lot of action tonight...a lot of COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS action. No one dies. No conflicts really get resolved. No meaningful new characters are introduced...don't tell me Randall is meaningful - not seeing it...and we're back to the status quo AGAIN. We get it...Shane is the Walking Dead. He sees himself that way, too. Great. Let's make it official, kill him and get off that farm already.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:06 AM

I haven't watched any new episodes since the show came back, but what I'm going to do is watch the last episode of this season. I feel pretty sure I won't have missed anything, and that's sure to involve Shane dying and them HIGHLIGHT to view:
finding the prison in the final seconds. Then I'll give the show a fresh shake with the third season, since if they're bringing the Governor in, that at least means they're abandoning the "one season=one tpb" formula and picking up the damn pace.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:59 PM

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:33 AM


As usual, Shane is totally right and getting jive on and villainized for no reason. If they were going to sentence that kid to death just to make sure he didn't know where they lived, they'd sure blow his head off once he told them he already knew.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

Well, its happening for poorly-written and somewhat poorly-defined reasons. Weak-writing has become an unfortunate hallmark of this show. Its very frustrating.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

So the question was raised, is Shane infected now? He cut himself with the same knife that he had previously stabbed a walker with, and some are wondering if he is now infected?

Also, what was up with the infected cops not being bitten?

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:19 AM

Why do people in movies and TV always cut themselves on their palms? The last place I'd ever want to cut myself is a gripping surface with tendons and major blood vessels directly underneath. I'd go for a meatier place where a shallow cut wouldn't impede my ability to do stuff, like the back of my forearm.

I mean, honestly.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:21 AM

I've always wondered that too. Usually it boils down to creases there making it look more like an actual cut with no need for anything besides the fake blood, but sometimes they don't even go that route.

But yeah, anyone who has ever gotten even a minor cut along a joint crease on their fingers or hands knows its annoying as all getout.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

So Beth's fainting spell was just her being sad, after all. No airborne zombie infection. Although with the unbitten cops, they are once again implying an airborne pathogen. That would explain how the virus spread so fast, although it would make it odd that none of the main characters have been infected.

I can't imagine why they're even considering executing Randall. With the state of the world, life shouldn't be so cheap. They should keep him on a short leash but give him a chance to redeem himself.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

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I can't imagine why they're even considering executing Randall. With the state of the world, life shouldn't be so cheap. They should keep him on a short leash but give him a chance to redeem himself.




Yeah, its just them being paranoid and over cautious in the new world. Its just the writers' way of showing how people have changed/are now.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:17 PM

They showed a number of open and empty food cans and stuff on the ground. I'm thinking that everyone was holed up there and ran out of supplies and either killed themselves or starved to death. That would explain the non wounded zombies. The ones that were, were killed by the members who died/killed themselves. Pretty simple explanation.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:08 PM

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I can't imagine why they're even considering executing Randall. With the state of the world, life shouldn't be so cheap. They should keep him on a short leash but give him a chance to redeem himself.




Yeah, its just them being paranoid and over cautious in the new world. Its just the writers' way of showing how people have changed/are now.


Meh, it's just poor writing. They have no real reason to kill him or set him free now that he's given his little backstory in the last episode. And Rick is a bitch. He should have just left shane for dead. Shane just threw a 20 pound friggen wrench at him. Ridiculous. And we're AGAIN no further in the plot than last episode.

This show has widdled itself down to two likable characters: Herschel and Glenn. Dale is annoying as of late, but not too bad. Everyone else I just hate now.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:50 PM

So is this show suffering from the Heroes syndrome?

A show that was so fantastically amazing in the first season, fans try to find things to like about the second season despite being in denial about how bad it is until one day it will get so bad you'll wonder why you've been going through the motions this long for a show that was only good at the start?

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so fantastically amazing in the first season


Beyond the first 20 minutes, there was little that was amazing about the first season. To be honest, the heavier action of these last two episodes has made this show's other flaws much more tolerable; as long as I get to see zombies being killed and people bickering over all the same jive, I could give a hug about moving the plot along.

Also, while I liked Heroes and stuck with it far longer than I should have in the hopes that it'd redeem itself, the first season really wasn't as great as the nostalgia goggles would like us to think it was. The show had so much potential, but the producers and writers squandered it left and right, even early on, and that was far more tragic and dramatic than anything that happened in front of the camera.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Feb 28 2012, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So is this show suffering from the Heroes syndrome?

A show that was so fantastically amazing in the first season, fans try to find things to like about the second season despite being in denial about how bad it is until one day it will get so bad you'll wonder why you've been going through the motions this long for a show that was only good at the start?


Nope, its more that the show had an awesome 90 minute pilot, and then just steadily got worse, and now here we are.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ Feb 28 2012, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So Beth's fainting spell was just her being sad, after all. No airborne zombie infection. Although with the unbitten cops, they are once again implying an airborne pathogen. That would explain how the virus spread so fast, although it would make it odd that none of the main characters have been infected.

I can't imagine why they're even considering executing Randall. With the state of the world, life shouldn't be so cheap. They should keep him on a short leash but give him a chance to redeem himself.


Depression can make you basically useless and confined to a bed. It was rather simple to understand what was going on with her.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:26 AM

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I can't imagine why they're even considering executing Randall. With the state of the world, life shouldn't be so cheap. They should keep him on a short leash but give him a chance to redeem himself.




Yeah, its just them being paranoid and over cautious in the new world. Its just the writers' way of showing how people have changed/are now.


Meh, it's just poor writing. They have no real reason to kill him or set him free now that he's given his little backstory in the last episode. And Rick is a bitch. He should have just left shane for dead. Shane just threw a 20 pound friggen wrench at him. Ridiculous. And we're AGAIN no further in the plot than last episode.

This show has widdled itself down to two likable characters: Herschel and Glenn. Dale is annoying as of late, but not too bad. Everyone else I just hate now.


Hmmmm guess you have never been in a fight with a close friend or partner. Again its a rather simple concept to understand. Sometimes those things a resolved in a fight, sometimes through a long drawn out talk. They decided they needed to fight, let some aggression out and move on from there. No Rick saw the cops laying there and regained some clarity as to their relationship. You know that whole cops are brothers stereotype You just don't ditch your best friend because you got into a fight.
Rick has always been the honorable one and during the fight and walkerfest he lost that outlook.

Perhaps you people are just over thinking these things or something?

They have all the reason to kill him, Which you know they explained in the show as too why. They also showed why it was a hard choice given the fact Rick needed a night to think on it.

This reminds me of War of the worlds. The one with Tom cruise, where they are driving up to the ferry and people go apejive because they have a working car. Things break down to their rawest form, all the while they are being hunted by aliens. This is what they are battling, That instinct to fend off and survive, vs that need of having other people to help...

Its a rather complex issue for anyone let alone a group to deal with.







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