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#181 RoboViking

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE(MyLittleEmpath @ Oct 24 2011, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I mean, seriously, arguments are popping up over the most inconsequential of minutia recently and it's starting to annoy at least me, and probably others here.

Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...

#182 Masked Toaster

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:07 PM

QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 24 2011, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...
Empty pedestal surrounded by barbed wire and signs that say 'Keep Away'?

Nope, nothing missing here.

#183 MyLittleEmpath

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 24 2011, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 24 2011, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...
Empty pedestal surrounded by barbed wire and signs that say 'Keep Away'?

Nope, nothing missing here.

You know what's weird? In all seriousness, these arguments did actually start popping up right around the time Discord appeared. Or at least, that's when I started noticing them . . .
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#184 Adam G

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:35 PM

Dude it's the Internet. I thought this is what it was for.

#185 Copper Bezel

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:35 PM

I agree.

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How can you read that and think anything but "Not a Christian holiday"?

Okay, let me slow down a bit and clarify (and correct) my terms. By saying "Christian holiday," I'm being inaccurate in two senses - it's not a holy day of anything, and it's not a recognized part of Christian orthodoxy. I'll drop "holiday" first. But it is a Christian celebration in the sense that it's part of the Christian tradition, reflects superstitions derived from Christian faith, and has no other religious underpinnings. That's my understanding of the blurb I just read on Wikipedia.

I don't see any reason to consider the position of present-day religious orthodoxies on the celebration, because the above description relies only on description of historical influences. Present-day Christians can't speak for their four-centuries-dead.

I admit that I could be misreading something, but I was mostly going on the quote from Ronald Hutton, apparently a relevant expert, on Wikipedia:

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Certainly Samhain was a time for festive gatherings, and medieval Irish texts and later Irish, Welsh, and Scottish folklore use it as a setting for supernatural encounters, but there is no evidence that it was connected with the dead in pre-Christian times, or that pagan religious ceremonies were held.


We already know that the name is Christian in origin, as is the precise date, since it's named for the Christian holiday it precedes (following a roving calendar of holy days defined by Christian orthodoxy.) The presence of a harvest festival is pre-Christian, but the association with the occult is not through an association with pagan ritual, but via the darker side of Christian theology. Souls roaming free and the whole bit.

It's less Odin, more Satan. That says "Christian holiday" to me, if that phrase can reasonably stand to mean "a festival from the Christian tradition." Maybe it can't, and I was being sloppy with the terminology. It's certainly not a pagan (pre-Christian) celebration in any real sense except in that everyone already knew that October was a great time to get drunk.

Edited by Copper Bezel, 24 October 2011 - 08:37 PM.

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#186 TM2 Dinobot

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:59 PM

That's why I just go with Dia de la Muerte. People leave me alone and scares the heck out of "white" people.

Edited by TM2 Dinobot, 24 October 2011 - 09:59 PM.

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#187 Matenshi

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 24 2011, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dude it's the Internet. I thought this is what it was for.



#188 Waspinator

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:11 PM



#189 Masked Toaster

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:51 PM

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"But I thought you had it for AJ!"

#190 TM2-Megatron

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 10:25 PM

lol; Twi asked for it with that line.

#191 Pocket

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE(Waspinator @ Oct 26 2011, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Now I'm imagining a scenario in some show or comic where the exact opposite happens: Someone says "You don't have to hide your feelings for me" believing the other person is in love with them, only to have that person bluntly give their unflattering opinion of them.
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#192 Sobana

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 03:40 PM

Epic misunderstanding and silent awkwardness right there.
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