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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Skullgrin2014

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:00 AM

I can't help but think that the Mechtech gimmick would have been awesome if it had been a gimmick used on the War For Cybertron Generations figures.

Interchangeable transforming weapons.

That was the only thing really missing with those toys IMO.

I kind of hope we see more mechtech type weapons in the future. Maybe when we get War For Cybertron 2. That would be a good gimmick to use for the figures.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:30 AM

No, the toys are already shrinking, and giant accessories that I mostly ignore only make the main toy even smaller. I'd prefer that the main toy get all the design attention and plastic.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:37 AM

I wouldn't mind, IF they make sure all of them have a way to stay deployed. Too many of them just end up being big chunks with a gun barrel attached when posed on a shelf because they can't lock open.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:06 AM

I would totally dig mech tech weapons on WFC figures if the weapons were done in translucent colors.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:23 AM

Not remotely, my least favorite gimmick in a long time.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:00 AM

i hate mechtech almost as much as i hate mini-cons

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:05 AM

NO.

KILL IT. WITH FIRE.

I mean, I just saw the Voyager Optimus Prime. I laughed mockingly. It is as small as a RVTS/Generations Deluxe.

Yeah, plastic is getting more and more expensive, but this is ridiculous. Not to mention how wacky and silly the weapons are. Like Skyhammer's stabbing-stabbity thingie...
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:37 AM

While there is a smidgen of appeal for a WFC toyline, other than that, not a chance. They are a colossal waste of plastic budget, and the lack of a lock on anything below a voyager is a big oversight. Many of them are just too bulky to be held by a lot of figures as is.

Now, if we are talking about Mech Tech ports, I have no problem with them as a legacy feature. Same as with Minicon plugs and C-clips, always a bonus to have a cool feature on a figure to get some extended playability.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:37 AM

Absolutely not. They've tended (with exceptions) to look dreadful and I'd rather they used the budget on the figures themselves or just more, less gimmicky, accessories.

At least the HA basics are supplying us with a good amount of C-clip weaponry (even if they do come with a lump of plastic I could also live without).
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:50 AM

I've always strongly disliked oversized bulky weapons, and I dislike MechTech even more for making the Deluxes smaller even if they are decent molds.

I do appreciate that repaints don't retain the same MechTech weapon that the original release of the mold had.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:01 AM

I think the Mechtech gimmick is meh. Often times the weapons don't really like anything but large blocks of plastic when not deployed.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:05 PM

I'd love to see it continue. It's nice to have some decently sized weapons again that do not have to suffer from being a part of the alt mode, or otherwise hidden.

Plus, I just like the G2 nod with having huge guns on the roof of cars and such.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:46 AM

I can see why people don't appreciate it.

But in part I brought up the thread because I could see a lot of good uses for it with Generations type figures in the future.
Although, that said, I definately agree it should be more or less a Legacy feature. And, not a constant.
Heres why I mentioned War For Cyberton mainly as an exmaple.



What I do like about Mechtech. Is that it made me feel like getting the DOTM toys. It gave that weapons interchangeaility feel you get from a FPS.
And, it gave me that feeling that it coincided well with the X-box DOTM game.


Now, were probably going to get some figures when we get a sequel to War For Cybertron. It really got me thinking about how much better they could have been with mechtech type weapons.



For one, it would have given Hasbro an excuse to give us accessories based on the game and market it as a selling point. The other reason is this. I think Optimus was the one figure that had the most playability. IMO.


Why?



He had two pegs for stowing weapons on his back in robot mode. Pegs to put weapons on his forearms as well as his fists. And, if that wasn't enough. If you push his fists inside. He can have weapons that have pegs on their back. Fit inside in a fashion that is simalir to how weapons just attach to the arms.
I felt, like I was taken into the game when I first played with him. And really giving him some of the mechtech guns felt like a given. Taking how you could pretty much give him 7 guns. To use. Or 3 guns like in most modern day shooters.


But then you get the disapointment that none of this can be done with Bumblebee, Megatron, or Soundwave. Sure Bumblebee and Soundwave can hold weapons. But theres nowhere to store extras. And, really it feels pretty boring to get a dinky pistol for Bumblebee. When he gets this cool spinning BFG that becomes an extension of his arm (which the dinky pistol is based on).



The other reason namely, is Megatron's fusion cannon. There was so much potential right there. Considering how the cannon actually transformed from a tank turret to an arm cannon in the game. We could have gotten a retooled autobot hovertank figure. As a good supplement down the road. Beyond that if the cannon wasn't gang molded to the toy. They could have re-released it as an extra weapon in Autobot colors. I love how the cannon mounts onto Megatron's arm. But it was just awesome how in the game larger bots could use the fusion cannon.


But, if your going to have cross compatiblity. Your BFG should have a neat gimmick that "MEANS" something. And this is where I feel making it have a mechtech gimmick would have been better than a firing misslile.

I really, really, loved how the tip of the cannon opens up when firing in the game. As if it's delivering a huge weapons payload. I'm wondering if we could have gotten a gimmick like that instead. It would probably be costly on a weapon that size. But, I'd have rather have had a simulation of the weapon firing at the push of a button. To a missile gimmick. We get missle gimmicks in droves. And, they feel redundant. Plus, the Fusion cannon should have sales potential in itself. It's the BFG of the Transformers when you think of it. Being able to get Megatron and knowing Optimus and Soundwave can also use it? Thats really FTW in my opinion. Despite the fact that it neuters the uniqueness of the weapon...


Also, i'd love it if we ever get Thunderwing re-released in a two pack (with lets say a Generations Nightbeat) for him to come with a Cyclone cannon that has a spinning chaingun gimmick. Sort of like Cybertron Galvy's machine gun.


I really like the idea of weapons that do something. I feel it adds playability. And, I think we could get some neat stuff down the road.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:46 AM

Huge guns rule, keep them.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:30 AM

Lose 'em. Too many of the guns I've seen have no appeal to me whatsoever, and the spring-loaded change gommick is an annoyance and 1/2! The guns really only look good when deployed and not everyone can open them up safely without losing a vital piece in the carpet or down a heating duct.

Plus some of the gimmicks are just sheer crap, IMO. I mean, look at Barricade's weapon, cool looking gun, but mech-tech it and you have a bad imitation of Wolverine! And the claws won't even stay deployed! Can you imagine him facing off with Bumblebee and trying to fight like that? "Errg, out of ammo! Take THIS Autobot scum!" *snikt!* half a moment later after Bee whips out his weapon, Barricade aims, and the claws snap back *Snakt!* "...oh, scrap!"

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:52 AM

Again; whatever MechTech adds in playability, coolness and variety, its not worth reducing the size of a Deluxe for.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:24 AM

QUOTE(Unfair Fight @ Oct 4 2011, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huge guns rule, keep them.

Yes they do. Huge hunks of plastic that have "barrels" pop out do not. Makes me long for the days of the "guns" that came with Alternators.

Spend the development cost on the figure, not a gob of petroleum product that gets pitched in a cardboard box please.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:56 AM

I just want them to keep making 5mm post weapons. I don't care what gimmick the weapons have, just keep the toys having c-clips and 5mm posts. Specific gimmickery can come and go, but those interactivity and compatibility aspects NEED to stay. Please don't go back to having no weapons the same size!

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 05:22 AM

Absolutely not. They're absolutely useless, ungainly peices of junk which shouldn't have been included in the first place. Mechtech was the only downside to the DotM Voyager Megatron mold, since the cannon looked like crap, would never stay extended, and had no way of remaining stable on the robot mode's arm. And yes, I know that apparently you need to twist part of the Mechtech weapons to get them to stay extended, but that's a load of crap since it's clearly not designed to do that.

Mechtech- what a way to waste plastic.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 05:25 AM

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Yes they do. Huge hunks of plastic that have "barrels" pop out do not


I said what I said. They're cool.

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