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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#41 Guardian Prime

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:20 AM

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Even Big Macintosh got in on it.

Macintosh as a burrowing dog thingy.....I'm glad it was Twilight he licked on the face and not Fluttershy. The shipping FlutterMac pics & fics are already in mass numbers as it is.

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Meanie Fluttershy was the best, IMHO, followed by Rarity and his odd crush on 'Tom'.
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:25 AM

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Discord at first seemed genuinely sad to see Twilight disheartened, to me it seemed he quite enjoyed using her as a 'sparring partner' in his game.

Yeah, I was totally expecting things to go that way; Discord starting to repent or something.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Sep 24 2011, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Rezo @ Sep 24 2011, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Sep 24 2011, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meanie Fluttershy was the best, IMHO, followed by Rarity and his odd crush on 'Tom'.
Do you know something about Rarity we don't? icon-depth.gif

OUCH! Major gender bender there, BB Shockwave. icon-fire.gif


Just because she says fabulous a lot, wears fake eyelashes, make up, and carries a fat cat, doesn't make Rarity a drag queen.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:27 AM

That was kinda... rushed. I finished watching it but it felt like it wasn't supposed to be over or something.

Other than that, still 1000 times funnier than Season 1 start and thus, atleast for me, a much better Season start overall.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:31 AM

great episode.

I guess no one expected literally "where you first began..." pretty funny

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:33 AM

Good god that was AMAZING. Seriously 11/10. I've had a crap week and now I'm grinning ear to ear.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:37 AM

Discord is SO RANDOM. Filling up a glass from the top down, drinking the glass instead of what's in it, and tossing it away with an Aqua Teen Hunger Force style explosion. And that's just in one shot. Did anyone catch who that fuchsia pony was that was going "Bliblibliblibliblibli" in the pan across Chaos-Ponyville?
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:39 AM

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Did anyone catch who that fuchsia pony was that was going "Bliblibliblibliblibli" in the pan across Chaos-Ponyville?


New pony with a screw and a ball for a cutie mark.

Edited by nuclearsuplex, 24 September 2011 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:40 AM

Yeah I agree that this probably should have been a three parter, as it feels like 10 pounds of plot in a five pound bag. Discord's defeat felt really weak as we go from Twilight holding the idiot ball so she'd lose her colors, or Discord holding it so he'd be defeated. Everything betweeen those two were great and I did love the use of the letters, which really gave the lessons real purpose.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:52 AM

And Cherry's sneezing scene was hilarious too. icon-hotrod.gif Guess Twilight could have built up an exact replica of Ponyville in hours if the buildings were like those!

Also, nice useage of the "Rainbow Crash" nickname, by Fluttershy, of all ponies! (And on Spike, no less!) "Come on Spike, you are Rainbow Dash now!" icon-fire.gif Twilight, ever the control freak.

QUOTE(Rezo @ Sep 24 2011, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Sep 24 2011, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meanie Fluttershy was the best, IMHO, followed by Rarity and his odd crush on 'Tom'.
Do you know something about Rarity we don't? icon-depth.gif


I meant 'her'. icon-wildride.gif Sorry, sorry. I will probably never learn to fully use this whole gender-specific pronoun thing. I am so glad my language doesn't have it... makes talk much easier. icon-fire.gif

Edited by BB Shockwave, 24 September 2011 - 09:56 AM.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:03 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Sep 24 2011, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Cherry's sneezing scene was hilarious too. icon-hotrod.gif
So adorable, I insta-d'awww'd~

It were little touches like that that made the episode. The cloud over Twilight, too~

When Twilight had to carry Tom into the house, I was wondering 'Will they ignore that it's bigger than the door or not?'... Well, they didn't ^^

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:04 AM

Also haha some of the letters Celestia sent back were unopened! icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE(nuclearsuplex @ Sep 24 2011, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pocket @ Sep 24 2011, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did anyone catch who that fuchsia pony was that was going "Bliblibliblibliblibli" in the pan across Chaos-Ponyville?


New pony with a screw and a ball for a cutie mark.

Yep, someone on Ponychan just found it. So now we've got another new goofy character AND a new Looney Tunes reference!

Also this:


"Pinkie's brain is kind of like a supersonic missile without a targeting system." - Creature SH

"Pinkie Pie is not so much random as she is non-linear." - Dvandom

"I like Discord like this. He's gone from a villain to something more akin to a natural disaster." - Fnu Aw

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:22 AM

Saluting Fluttershy is adorable. Will probably be my new avatar once better quality caps are available.

"I am just wondering if it is ok to hold you down against your will for a little while?"

Also, Rarity's "Let's never speak of this again" after she 'dumps' Tom. icon-fire.gif
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:37 AM

Man, they ripped of the Star Wars credits.

Also, anyone else thinking of Nostalgia Critic when HIGHLIGHT to view:
Discord got blasted by the rainbow?

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE(spikeriley @ Sep 24 2011, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, they ripped of the Star Wars credits.

Also, anyone else thinking of Nostalgia Critic when HIGHLIGHT to view:
Discord got blasted by the rainbow?

Oh my, yes. And when NMM tasted the rainbow, too. Also, why the spoiler tags? This entire thread is specifically for spoilers.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Sep 24 2011, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In the rewatch, I realized what DisQordia was...it's the Dodo's Wackyland from Looney Tunes/Tiny Toons.


Yeah, the resemblance between them seemed to grow the more changes he made. Too bad Warner Bros. doesn't own My Little Pony, or they could've just banished him there instead of turning him back into stone, lol.

QUOTE(Rezo @ Sep 24 2011, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[*] Needed to be a three-parter. Both episodes seemed a little rushed


Yep, it really could've benefited a lot from being 3 parts. Maybe if these two eps had been left as the S1 finale, with a cliffhanger that was resolved in the S2 premiere. The comedy was great, as usual (I think my favourite bits were Fluttershy while she was being nasty), but the actual rise/defeat of Discord plot seemed very rushed. Twilight's restoration was well-done, but the others were cured a bit too quickly and without fuss. And Discord's actual defeat seems like it was just thrown in there at the end to wrap everything up. However, it's not like he doesn't know what the Elements are capable of (and he knew his spells over the mane 6 had been broken)... given the way he just sat there and told them to go ahead, it's almost as if he wanted to be re-petrified, or at least accepted it as necessary.

I almost wonder if he's come to understand moderation after all, and recognizes going back into the statue (whatever it's like in there; maybe he has some kind of "world" to himself), with the occassional break-out every once in a while for a bit of fun, as an acceptable compromise with a more ordered Universe. To me, anyway, this sounds like a better explanation than "well, we just needed to end the episode and banged it out in 2 minutes".

But hey, while the true God of Chaos is away, we'll always have our minor Spirit of Chaos to keep the candle burning...


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE(Kein @ Sep 24 2011, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Berry Punch, pepper...
Am I reading too much or I didn't get it?


Pepper making one sneeze violently is a common trope.

Edited by Matenshi, 24 September 2011 - 11:11 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:28 AM

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Btw, Nayuki - any chance can you post a clear screenshot with Screwball or should we wait 12 hours till 1080 upscaled? Ep is kind of aired tho...
If... umm... that is ok with you of course.


Ooh, even better, is there a build of her in a less wind-blown state? I'm trying to whip up some fan art and I'm having trouble figuring out how her hair is supposed to sit naturally, and no idea what color her cap's bill should be.

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I even can't predict how much art and fanfiction this will spawn... A lot.

Ha, Tom/Rarity/Applejack love triangle, y'mean? Hopefully the fact that one of them is a rock will keep it limited to joke fics and comics.

Edited by Pocket, 24 September 2011 - 11:31 AM.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:59 AM

That was awesome and satisfying. I'm not sure how I should feel about the CMC not being in the second part, given the fighting they did in the first one, but I guess that's what fanfiction is for...to fill in the gaps. :-)


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