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@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that timeline after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same timeline.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o


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#1 Shadewing

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:51 AM

I'm starting to watch Torchwood Miracle day. And they eventually introduce a guy played by Wayne Knight aka Newman of Seinfeild. I keep thinking to myself "Its Newman! How the hell can you trust Newman?" Becuase every role I see the guy play he's Newman, the fat untrustable douche that screws everyone over in the end.

It also reminds me of a comment from the new Thundercats "Even if you never seen the old show, you know Grune's gonna be a bad guy becuase he's voiced by Clancy Brown."

So are there any series or movies you've watched where the actor choice kinda spoils things becuase they almost always same play the same character or casted in a villain role? Likely more concerns villains or supposed-to-be neutral parties, rather then heroes.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:54 AM

Clancy Brown in "Cowboys & Aliens" was hard to process as a total good guy.

The bad guy military leader from "Avatar" plays almost exactly the same guy in "Terra Nova". I'm hoping that's a fake-out.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:01 PM

Then again, Clancy Brown played a pretty upstanding George Stacey in The Spectacular Spider-Man. Then again, he was also The Rhino...

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:02 PM

Anyone played by Miguel Ferrara is usually a villain.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:04 PM

I don't think I'll ever be able to take Steve Buschemi seriously.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:08 PM

In hindsight, it's a lot harder to trust Luke Skywalker or Skips the Yeti from Regular Show since Mark Hamill's mostly done villain roles like the Joker, Fire Lord Ozai and Skeleton King.

On the flipside, it's hard for me to take Knockout seriously because, well...

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:15 PM

I was the one who made the Clancy Brown comment, I think icon-hotrod.gif

He has played good guys. In live action he played a "good father" character on Earth 2.

But there is some type casting to be sure.

Wayne Knight is a great example.

I'll see if I can think of any.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Sep 22 2011, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was the one who made the Clancy Brown comment, I think icon-hotrod.gif

He has played good guys. In live action he played a "good father" character on Earth 2.

But there is some type casting to be sure.

Wayne Knight is a great example.

I'll see if I can think of any.


Clancy has played good guys, but tends to be more famous for his villains or at least seems to be. Its why I added "or always seems to be casted in a villains role"

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:26 PM

JEREMY IRONS.

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One of the most exquisitely voiced villains ever. How can he NOT be a villain with that voice?
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:38 PM

Has Michael Ironside ever played a good guy?

And I never knew that Knock Out was Timmy's Dad, thanks Spinner.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE(EvilEyeSigma @ Sep 22 2011, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has Michael Ironside ever played a good guy?


Starship Troopers! "C'mon you apes! You want to live forever??"
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Aphel Aura @ Sep 22 2011, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(EvilEyeSigma @ Sep 22 2011, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has Michael Ironside ever played a good guy?


Starship Troopers! "C'mon you apes! You want to live forever??"


Oh, I've never seen Starship Troopers.

So to me Michael Ironside is either General Katana or Darkseid.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:48 PM

Well, I can forgive a lot of these guys listed thus far:
Clancey Brown: Danzigger on Earth 2, likable guy
Michael Ironside: Racjak on Starship Troopers and the 3rd commander of the Seaquest
Jeremy Irons: harder, but at least he was decent as Tiberius in Kingdom of Heaven

But that said, yea, all are villain bait.

I'll add Willem DaFoe and Robert Patrick to the list.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE(Database @ Sep 22 2011, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm starting to watch Torchwood Miracle day. And they eventually introduce a guy played by Wayne Knight aka Newman of Seinfeild. I keep thinking to myself "Its Newman! How the hell can you trust Newman?" Becuase every role I see the guy play he's Newman, the fat untrustable douche that screws everyone over in the end.


Don't forget, he also screwed everything up for everyone in Jurassic Park.

EDIT: Of course, this thread also needs the "Villains you can't take seriously as a threat because of the actor who plays them" side of the discussion, for when an actor whose past roles preclude him as a viable threat as a villain. Topher Grace as Venom, anyone?

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE(BeltlineYYC @ Sep 22 2011, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Database @ Sep 22 2011, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm starting to watch Torchwood Miracle day. And they eventually introduce a guy played by Wayne Knight aka Newman of Seinfeild. I keep thinking to myself "Its Newman! How the hell can you trust Newman?" Becuase every role I see the guy play he's Newman, the fat untrustable douche that screws everyone over in the end.


Don't forget, he also screwed everything up for everyone in Jurassic Park.


Oh I remember, that falls under "screws everyone over in the end" Any time something bad happens, and he's been around; there's a good chance he's the reason it went bad.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:16 PM

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Sep 22 2011, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Michael Ironside is a poor man's Kurtwood Smith icon-hotrod.gif


See, I associate Kurtwood Smith with That 70s Show, not Robocop.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:19 PM

Wayne Knight played a nice guy character in 3rd Rock From The Sun.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:24 PM

QUOTE(EvilEyeSigma @ Sep 22 2011, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kalidor @ Sep 22 2011, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Michael Ironside is a poor man's Kurtwood Smith icon-hotrod.gif


See, I associate Kurtwood Smith with That 70s Show, not Robocop.


Yeah, rewatching Robocop after watching that 70's Show gives a new spin on his character there. I wish "That 80's show" had been a continuation, just becuase I would have loved to see a scene of them watching Robocop. "Dude, your dad just killed a cop!"

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:44 PM

Jack Nicholson.

Great actor, but he's only capable of playing one character. And that character is "Jack Nicholson".

And he's usually a crazy lunatic.



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