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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Wildwade

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 09:38 PM

http://www.comicbook...preview&id=9836

Ha, flying Tracks. Cute.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:14 PM

Like the painterly coloring.

Hate the atrociously messy linework.

Wish I could tell who more of the flying bots were. (See the above.)

Like seeing Prime call on Silverbolt as his go-to flier.

Cliffjumper's about to taste his own medicine.


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Edited by ZacWilliam1, 19 September 2011 - 10:15 PM.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 12:27 AM

I know the general opinion is "Costa = not enough talking", but hot damn was Cliffjumper chattering like hell in those last few panels.

I think some narration boxes and/or sound effects would help the art flow a bit better.

Edited by Confuzor, 20 September 2011 - 12:54 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 12:33 AM

That preview is one of the tightest things Costa has written yet.

Ironically accompanied by some of the loosest art.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 06:37 AM

I really like the art. I wouldn't like it all the time, but for an arc? Yeah, it's lovely, and adds a nice otherworldly feel.

The concept of these few pages is actually pretty good - Kimia turns into a massive space gun, and the Autobots are launching an all out offensive with all the arial troops at their disposal? Awesome. If only the reason for the Decepticons stealing it made a damned lick of sense.

I was going to call out IDW for another random model change, but Silverbolt hasn't actually been seen since he was mentioned as coming to Earth has he? A new look/altmode isn't unreasonable in that case.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 06:38 AM

Ok, inspired by my son's I-Spy books I'm gonna see who I can pick out here...

Page 1:
Ok, Prime, Obviously.
Rodimus
Drift
Really Ugly Cliffjumper
Really Ugly Sunstreaker
and I guess Ironhide (going by the colorscheme in the later panels alone)?
So I'm gonna guess ? #1 to the Left and #2 to the back are supposed to be Silverbolt and Trailbreaker, since they get bit parts further on. Really, otherwise, art-wise those could be anyone.

Page 2:
So, I'm assuming that jumble of parts in the corner is Drift. Can't tell what's supposed to be going on wiith him, but I recognize a few body parts.
That's Silverbolt big in the middle I guess.
The two red A-10s have me a bit puzzled: Powerglide is outsourcing.
Sandstorm
Tracks
Cosmos
Skydive
Then it's random guess "Supposed tp be Aerialbots?" theater, including one that looks like old-style concorde SB.

Page 3: Gah, wobbly doofy heads... and mismatched partner theater should be entertaining at least.

Page 4: For some reason I find Trailbreaker's awkward stance here kinda funny. Ugh his head though.

Page 5: So Silverbolt and Sky Dive take out a Sweep is what I decode here after a short examination. Though only SB gets any credit for it. Sky Dive: "Thanks Rod, love you too."

Page 6: Soooo Wow, that's a lot of bots come out of nowhere. I note what's either Fireflight drawn like Sky Dive or Sky Dive colored like Fireflight. and of course Cosmos, Powerglide, and Sandstorm again. The rest appear to be random geometric shapes that have suddenly ascended from flatland and joined the fight...

Page 7: Tracks again (who is a cute inclusion) and more of the above...


-ZacWilliam, on the plus, I'll likely be reading through the issue multiple times, to try and decifer the art if no other reason...

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 20 September 2011 - 06:49 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:31 AM

I think the painterly art works much better for this issue then it does in #24. I love the splash of all the flyers heading to orbit. I just wish I could recognize more of them (I'm terrible at alt-modes). I only knew Tracks, Springer & Powerglide. Anyone want to take a stab at the rest of 'em? I presume it's the Aerialbots due to Silverbolt being explicitly ordered but unsure.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE(G1MarvelBlaster @ Sep 20 2011, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the painterly art works much better for this issue then it does in #24. I love the splash of all the flyers heading to orbit. I just wish I could recognize more of them (I'm terrible at alt-modes). I only knew Tracks, Springer & Powerglide. Anyone want to take a stab at the rest of 'em? I presume it's the Aerialbots due to Silverbolt being explicitly ordered but unsure.


1) Springer's not there. You're seeing Sandstorm.

2) I think I already identified all the fliers possible in the post above...


-ZacWilliam, the rest are pretty much generic shapes...
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Posted 20 September 2011 - 08:35 AM

For some reason, each time I try to load the preview in AOL Explorer, the browser quits on me. I'll try again later with Firefox, but this talk is giving me some hope that the issue will be a little better than #24.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 08:50 AM

Silverbolt's got some UT Excessive Toy Accuracy Syndrome going.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Sep 20 2011, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Silverbolt's got some UT Excessive Toy Accuracy Syndrome going.


His entire robot mode isn't shown hanging under is plane, is it?
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#12 Echowarrior

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 11:16 AM

Saw the preview in Firefox. Liked it.

Read the issue today. Good heavens, that's an improvement.

Say what you want, but the action is significantly more fast-paced. Stuff is happening right in front of us, and while I'm not thrilled about everything I'm seeing, my attention is caught.

One niggling little thing, though - D'Void. We've yet to see him in the main series. Was he some delusion of Galvatron's, or what? Because if HoD was some crazy story from Galvy's perspective, then I can forgive the continuity issues.


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Posted 21 September 2011 - 11:37 AM


Hmmm... Wonder how close to store date Barnes and Nobles is getting the issues now. Not too much chance of getting to a comic store, but I might have a shot at B & N.


ZacWilliam, I could buy it digitally and read it right now, but IDW seems to now be going for 3.99 new digital vs. $1.99 old. I could justify digital at the cheaper old price when all were $1.99, but now that they've bumped new digital to the INSANE $3.99 price tag. Forget it.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:34 PM

Remember how Mike Costa assured people that the Autobots still on Kimia would be addressed?

Well, they get addressed in this issue.

Le sigh.


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Posted 22 September 2011 - 07:10 AM

QUOTE(Wildwade @ Sep 21 2011, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Remember how Mike Costa assured people that the Autobots still on Kimia would be addressed?

Well, they get addressed in this issue.

Le sigh.


Yeah, I think our hopes to see Computron as the first Autobot combiner in this continuity have been permanently dashed. Sucks, that.
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 04:44 AM

I don't think a $3.99 price tag for digital distribution is that bad. If 2 dollars make you reconsider the whole thing, maybe sticking to the paper issues is a good idea. I think paying the extra 2 dollars, saving the gas/CO2, and avoiding the pain of dealing with the weirdos at the comic book shop is worth every penny.

Besides, with the US dollar being worth almost nothing these days, that's about 300 yen for me; less than a coffee. Certainly enough for some well-drawn & coloured entertainment.
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 05:46 AM

QUOTE(Real Money @ Sep 23 2011, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think a $3.99 price tag for digital distribution is that bad. If 2 dollars make you reconsider the whole thing, maybe sticking to the paper issues is a good idea. I think paying the extra 2 dollars, saving the gas/CO2, and avoiding the pain of dealing with the weirdos at the comic book shop is worth every penny.

Besides, with the US dollar being worth almost nothing these days, that's about 300 yen for me; less than a coffee. Certainly enough for some well-drawn & coloured entertainment.


Sorry but comics are just way too breif for that. Even the best single issue is only really a brief pamphlet, a few minutes read. 20 - 25 odd pages. For the $1 they were when I started collecting that's fine. For 1.99 even that's fine. For 2.99 you start saying, that's a bit pricey there eh? For $3.99 basically $4 that's really a high price.

Then you take away getting an actual physical thing out of the picture? Sorry but a digital peek is not worth the same to me as a real physical object I can take places and hold on to regardless of electronic ephemera. 1.99 is my cut off for digital comics, and I think $1 would be more appropriate.


-ZacWilliam, considering the high price of comics has almost always been blamed on paper costs...
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Sep 23 2011, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Real Money @ Sep 23 2011, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think a $3.99 price tag for digital distribution is that bad. If 2 dollars make you reconsider the whole thing, maybe sticking to the paper issues is a good idea. I think paying the extra 2 dollars, saving the gas/CO2, and avoiding the pain of dealing with the weirdos at the comic book shop is worth every penny.

Besides, with the US dollar being worth almost nothing these days, that's about 300 yen for me; less than a coffee. Certainly enough for some well-drawn & coloured entertainment.


Sorry but comics are just way too breif for that. Even the best single issue is only really a brief pamphlet, a few minutes read. 20 - 25 odd pages. For the $1 they were when I started collecting that's fine. For 1.99 even that's fine. For 2.99 you start saying, that's a bit pricey there eh? For $3.99 basically $4 that's really a high price.

Then you take away getting an actual physical thing out of the picture? Sorry but a digital peek is not worth the same to me as a real physical object I can take places and hold on to regardless of electronic ephemera. 1.99 is my cut off for digital comics, and I think $1 would be more appropriate.


-ZacWilliam, considering the high price of comics has almost always been blamed on paper costs...


When I started buying them digitally I thought "Wow 1.99 seems kind of cheap. I wish I could give them more money". I guess I got that wish.
Although, I hope it stays as only being for new issues. Buying backwards at the price would be a pain.


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Posted 23 September 2011 - 12:54 PM

I'd starting to think about doing the digital thing, but making them the same price (and don't give me that embedded costs crap) totally takes away most of the incentive to go digital.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 01:03 PM

It offsets the fiscal rape of the comic book retailer, of course.



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